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Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:00 pm to Peepdip
I'm firmly in the camp of "I have no fricking idea."
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:00 pm to Peepdip
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What does that make me?
It depends on who answers.
Christian would say you're lost.
New Age would say "you are who you are."
Atheist would say you're on your own.
Universalist would say "You're okay, I'm okay."
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:01 pm to Hoodatt
I suggest you get other takes on this issue sport. Their conclusion sounds a lot like Anselm's in the Middle Ages. Not actually a proof at all
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:07 pm to JumpingTheShark
My question would be who created The Who, and so on and so fourth!
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:08 pm to Hoodatt
quote:well frick them
christian would say your lost
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:14 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:seems like the most honest stance. Leaves us open to wonder as well
im firmly in the camp of i have no fricking idea
Posted on 1/21/17 at 11:51 pm to LSUaFOOL
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My question would be who created The Who, and so on and so fourth!
And down the rabbit hole we go. So something (anything,us,the Big Bang,whatever) can't come from nothing so it must have been created. That creator can't have a beginning or an end so it must be "super natural" or it too would need a creator/protocause. Or maybe spacetime didn't need creating. Or would could be trying to explain away the obvious...
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:08 am to Hoodatt
The number 42 is the "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything", calculated by an enormous supercomputer named Deep Thought over a period of 7.5 million years.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:15 am to Hoodatt
St. Thomas Acquinas beat them to it 750 years ago when he wrote Summa Theologica.
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Because the chief aim of sacred doctrine is to teach the knowledge of God, not only as He is in Himself, but also as He is the beginning of things and their last end, and especially of rational creatures, as is clear from what has been already said, therefore, in our endeavor to expound this science, we shall treat: (1) Of God; (2) Of the rational creature's advance towards God; (3) Of Christ, Who as man, is our way to God.
Further, those things are said to be self-evident which are known as soon as the terms are known, which the Philosopher (1 Poster. iii) says is true of the first principles of demonstration. Thus, when the nature of a whole and of a part is known, it is at once recognized that every whole is greater than its part. But as soon as the signification of the word "God" is understood, it is at once seen that God exists. For by this word is signified that thing than which nothing greater can be conceived. But that which exists actually and mentally is greater than that which exists only mentally. Therefore, since as soon as the word "God" is understood it exists mentally, it also follows that it exists actually. Therefore the proposition "God exists" is self-evident.
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Because the chief aim of sacred doctrine is to teach the knowledge of God, not only as He is in Himself, but also as He is the beginning of things and their last end, and especially of rational creatures, as is clear from what has been already said, therefore, in our endeavor to expound this science, we shall treat: (1) Of God; (2) Of the rational creature's advance towards God; (3) Of Christ, Who as man, is our way to God.
Further, those things are said to be self-evident which are known as soon as the terms are known, which the Philosopher (1 Poster. iii) says is true of the first principles of demonstration. Thus, when the nature of a whole and of a part is known, it is at once recognized that every whole is greater than its part. But as soon as the signification of the word "God" is understood, it is at once seen that God exists. For by this word is signified that thing than which nothing greater can be conceived. But that which exists actually and mentally is greater than that which exists only mentally. Therefore, since as soon as the word "God" is understood it exists mentally, it also follows that it exists actually. Therefore the proposition "God exists" is self-evident.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:21 am to Hoodatt
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Dr Gödel’s model uses mathematical equations that are extremely complicated
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and if he or she is believed as a concept then he or she can exist in reality.
flying sphaghetti monster is real?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:26 am to Hoodatt
Faith: strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 12:30 am to Hoodatt
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Dr Gödel’s model uses mathematical equations that are extremely complicated,
I'll admit I had my doubts but that settles it.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:02 am to Hoodatt
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Dr Gödel’s model uses mathematical equations that are extremely complicated, but the essence is that no greater power than God can be conceived, and if he or she is believed as a concept then he or she can exist in reality.
My god, I didn't think the content of the thread could be stupider than its title, but I was wrong. It's a restatement of Anselm of Canterbury's idiotic argument concerning "a being a greater than which cannot exist".
Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:08 am to Spock's Eyebrow
Why must there be a beginning or end? Everything about life as we know it is in cycles. Death brings about life. Life brings death. The seasons on Earth, the way constellations and our movement in the universe is on cycles. Death of stars creates life and so on. This universe must follow the same rules and eventually this universe will meet its demise, yet another stage of the cycle will begin.
Why must there be a set concept of a beginning and end?
Why must there be a set concept of a beginning and end?
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 1:49 am to Hoodatt
sure they did...que the Jlo gif
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:02 am to Hoodatt
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:12 am to Peepdip
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I dont believe god exists but I dont believe that he doesnt either
Could you pussyfoot around anymore? Grow a pair and believe in something, or nothing, but don't claim both. Your creator or your nothingness expects more from you.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:25 am to JumpingTheShark
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Someone or something had to create the first piece of life. Maybe there was a Big Bang, well where did the matter come from that lead to that, and where did all of that start, something had to create the first "thing" in existence. The question is who?
So might as well conjure up some make believe being to keep the masses in line.
I mean, the Christian God is obviously the only God. If you were born in the middle east you would still believe that right?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 2:26 am to Peepdip
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What does that make me?
Look at my sig quote
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