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re: SB 435 would allow advanced practice nurses to not work under a physician
Posted on 4/4/18 at 1:58 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 4/4/18 at 1:58 pm to LSUFanHouston
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you have to admit that many more people need the government to protect them from themselves, than those of us who can make a smart decision.
Possibly. But the regulatory safety net of stupidity only keeps them from gaining intelligence and common sense.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 1:59 pm to LSUFanHouston
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While I understand your thought and somewhat agree... you have to admit that many more people need the government to protect them from themselves, than those of us who can make a smart decision.
Ugh...I despise governance to the lowest common denominator.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:02 pm to 50_Tiger
You are referring to a pharmacy query.
A physician can do a query on his or her patient, and get a report showing what scripts they are getting, from what doctors, and at what pharmacies. This has helped to prevent people from getting pain meds from multiple doctors.
Caution: a physician cannot do a query on someone not his patient. That's a big no-no.
A physician can do a query on his or her patient, and get a report showing what scripts they are getting, from what doctors, and at what pharmacies. This has helped to prevent people from getting pain meds from multiple doctors.
Caution: a physician cannot do a query on someone not his patient. That's a big no-no.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:12 pm to Hopeful Doc
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I'd argue it's also a problem that people come in with the notion of needing a Z-pack and won't stop seeing providers until they find someone who writes one, regardless of their actual need for one.
This guy gets it.. a damn Z pak is going to be useless in the not so distant future due to overuse. It's frustrating, but some people won't leave without it, or they'll go and find someone else. I think antibiotic stewardship is a huge issue, and one that will only worsen as less trained providers have more autonomy.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:16 pm to toosleaux
as a risk management consultant/insurance broker for hospitals and physician groups.....this would be expensive on many levels. And also just a bad idea.
Plaintiff attorneys finna eat.
Plaintiff attorneys finna eat.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:28 pm to cas4t
I would assume if you take on that role, you take on the same legal standard of care. Correct?
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:29 pm to CaptainZappin
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I think antibiotic stewardship is a huge issue, and one that will only worsen as less trained providers have more autonomy.
I'll be the first to admit it: physicians tend to suck at this too. Particularly in an urgent care or ER setting. It's purely speculative as to whether less trained providers help or hurt it, but I've got my money on "not help."
I've also recently adopted the idea of post-dating the script when the patient is unsure or follow up is going to be difficult. First one I did this for (moonlighting in an urgent care when a young, healthy person had a 2-day sinus infection), I actually ran into them a few days later. They thanked me and told me they never filled it but felt better just as I had predicted.
No, I'm not delusional and think that's always going to be the case. But I got pretty excited in that instance. We (everyone that writes scripts) need to do a better job at antibiotic stewardship. My current biggest fear is that the current push and agenda is "no opiates" and that it's going to spiral out of control without being in the spotlight.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:29 pm to buffbraz
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Nor should it.
And why exactly is that?
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:29 pm to toosleaux
If people are stupid enough to trust their health to just an NP then I say let them go right ahead.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:34 pm to tigerskin
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I would assume if you take on that role, you take on the same legal standard of care. Correct?
as I see it, correct.
good luck finding insurance for these nurses. Any insurance carrier that agrees to it will cost that nurse half his/her salary. Probably more. You'd need a huge deductible which would come with collateral requirements. Who is picking that up? Not the hospital.
Bad idea.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:41 pm to cas4t
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Who is picking that up? Not the hospital.
Hospitals and systems will pick that up. The delta between paying the NP salary + liability compared to an MD Salary + liability will favor the NP, particularly in MUA's, where they can likely find a local NP.
Even contract labor from hospitalists/IM physician groups to round on nursing home (or hospital) patients will be more costly than paying for the NP's and their liability.
I assure you the big player's (in La) cost/benefit determined this to be a financial winner, or it never would have been considered for approval.
ETA: They have already been in contact with your peers re: potential rate changes due to this move, or they are incompetent in their duties.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:44 pm to Lithium
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The quality of Midlevels greatly. Some are really good and really really bad.
Same is true of MDs
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:47 pm to TheWiz
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You would make a decision to go into a clinic to see a NP rather than seeing a MD?
I often do - it depends on the NP and the MD. I would never, however choose a PA
Posted on 4/4/18 at 2:50 pm to toosleaux
I've worked with mid-level providers my whole career. I really don't see a problem with NPs and PAs providing unsupervised basic medical services that are kind of "by the book" anyway. My bigger issue is the inevitable "mission creep" that will almost surely happen. Once these providers get this right...the push for increase of scope will continue. Next..out of hospital and private clinic privileges. After that, the right to perform medical procedures. Finally, the right to give themselves the title "Doctor" and advertise as such. Consumers of health care should know what they are getting and what the provider's qualifications are. This action blurs this line.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 3:14 pm to EA6B
That has been done, and there is no evidence of improved outcomes.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 3:15 pm to toosleaux
The author of the bill is the Chairman of that committee. That bill was coming out no matter what.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 3:18 pm to Cold Drink
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This is the thread where all the Republicans come out to support government regulation
Okay, but can we also give any doctors who have fix their mistakes civil immunity?
Posted on 4/4/18 at 3:19 pm to jat912
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That has been done, and there is no evidence of improved outcomes.
That's true, but "quality" isn't really the goal. Access is, and costs to a lesser degree.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 3:24 pm to MSMHater
Failure to achieve quality up front actually leads to increased cost, both in terms of dollars and morbidity/mortality.
The VA has allowed NPs to work independently for years. That policy obviously did not help access or outcomes, and may have actually worsened them.
The VA has allowed NPs to work independently for years. That policy obviously did not help access or outcomes, and may have actually worsened them.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 3:30 pm to MSMHater
I'd like to see the loss forecasting for this to be a financial winner. There are a handful of highly litigious states that are already attempting to cap their malpractice losses through a patient compensation fund, and NP's can enter. LA included.
Everything makes sense on paper out the gate. Give it a few years when these huge verdicts come out. No one seems to account for the creative plaintiff attorney.
Everything makes sense on paper out the gate. Give it a few years when these huge verdicts come out. No one seems to account for the creative plaintiff attorney.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 3:38 pm
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