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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:59 am to
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:59 am to
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I want to avoid political discussions, "we're overwhelmed and don't have PPE or vents" discussions, who's to blame etc.



It's the onion loaf's fault and our heros are dying two at a time.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:00 am to
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great info from thought leaders

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OT Lounge


You’ve come to the right place
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:01 am to
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Any benefits of anticoagulation in positive Covid 19 cases beyond prophylactic dose of lovenox/heparin for DVT prophylaxis? Heparin drip, treatment dose lovenox, DOAC/NOAC?

Yes.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42937 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:04 am to
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thrombotic events may be due to a DIC


My dic throbs from time to time
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 10:05 am
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3537 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:07 am to
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The thrombotic events may be due to a DIC type picture we see in these patients from the massive inflammatory response. I don’t think anyone has trialed anticoagulants, although Ochsner Nola now gives all of these patients statins, which have some antiplatelet and anti inflammatory effects. Some people have speculated that the sudden crash some of these patients take is due to a pulmonary embolism but I don’t know if that’s been supported by postmortem pathology.


The statin debate is interesting and I know there are folks out there advocating using D-Dimer >2000 as a benchmark for full dose heparin. Do you know with the statin administration if that is something they carryover from typical ARDS experience or they are doing it specific to these patient?
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
30133 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 2:25 pm to
My understanding from talking to the people at Oschner is that they are using statins for the anti-inflammatory effect, as well as the small antiplatelet benefit since there are prothrombotic complications. I have not heard anything about using a D dimer cutoff. I support the statin idea, as I believe that its effects are theoretically beneficial. I use high dose statins in my acute coronary syndrome patients in the ER.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by DrShrimpPuertoRico
Member since Dec 2018
70 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:27 pm to
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I'm talking about stuff like what type of non-invasive ventilation you're using, when you're intubating (early or later and the debate on the two strategies). ARDSnet protocols and whether for most people this is really behaving like normal ARDS and thus what vent modes and strategies are being used. This is only the tip of the iceberg, I'm just trying to get the ball rolling.


I think it’s more successful to treat with early intubation. You want to hit this thing head on. Before you know it, bronchioles swell, esophagus is lined with hardened mucus, membranes don’t breathe properly, and the lining of the lungs is infected beyond repair.

My recent experiences show that the experimental drug Sartiphexis is effective, but those results have not been published. Of course, there have been a limited number of clinicals. Sartiphexis works because of the high number of Ambuprephins. This no doubt kills the Extreniant growth in the virus. Once that is done and the Fermiotites dissipate toward a healthy number, the body takes over with natural antibodies.

Hope this helps
Posted by chunk
UNDER YOUR BED
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:34 pm to
Can I just take hydroxy/zpac/zinc cocktail and call it a day if not near death?
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
11480 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:39 pm to
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only wasted 5 minutest typing this out.


If it took you 5 mins to type that smidgen of info you really should consider being a book editor
Posted by DrShrimpPuertoRico
Member since Dec 2018
70 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 3:39 pm to
I can’t legally advise you to do that, but I would do that.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3537 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 4:09 pm to
Did anyone read the preprint on inhibiting heme metabolism (Liu, et. al)? The Emergency Medicine/Critical Care Podcast FOAMcast (now Covidcast) mentioned the paper in the discussion of the clinical similarities between COVID-19 related pulmonic dysfunction and high altitude pulmonary edema. It is out of China and highly technical and a bit difficult to get to, but the premise is interesting. Shows how novel this thing really is and underscores the attendant problems of a new disease entity. COVIDcast (Jeremy Faust/Lauren Westafer - apple or spotify) is a great way to keep up with what others are trying and what is falling in and out of favor in this dynamic situation.

Preprint: Liu et al (COVID-19/Hgb attack/porphyrin capture
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