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re: San Francisco's Millennium Tower is leaning, sinking and now cracking

Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:19 pm to
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What are they going to do? Mud jack a tower?


If only there were some free material lying around on the sidewalks that could be used for this purpose. And if that material was also a nuisance that needed to be cleaned up anyway, well then that’s 2 birds with 1 stone.
Posted by pjab
Member since Mar 2016
5773 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:21 pm to
Depends if the architect is left or right handed.
Posted by i am dan
NC
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Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:25 pm to
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San Francisco's Millennium Tower is leaning, sinking and now cracking


Probably because of all the poo.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21840 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:25 pm to
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In addition to significant innovations above grade, the tower's below grade solution is also challenging. A tower of this height creates a higher bearing pressure below the core (14,000 psf). To provide support for such a high concentration of force, 950 14-inch square precast piles were used. While overturning due to earthquake is a significant factor, the number of piles was governed by gravity design. In order to provide a high-confidence against a possible foundation shear failure, vertical shear reinforcing is added in the 10 ft thick pile cap.

The project's five-story basement extends 75 feet below grade, nearly 45 feet below the site's water table. This open cut required special waterproofing. A unique shot-crete mixture containing Caltite is employed at perimeter walls, eliminating the need for a conventional adhered waterproofing membrane.

The foundation supports two very different types of structures. Overtime, the building is expected to settle as much as 5". The two towers are separated by a horizontal joint, and hinge slabs connect the two structures allowing for additional settlement to occur. The area between the towers, supports only three levels above grade and requires tie-downs to resist the hydrostatic uplift at the bottom of this deep excavation.


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Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41838 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:27 pm to
How soon before all the tenants abandon the building. Sounds like massive liability if you force employees to work in a building known to have structural problems.
Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
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Member since May 2013
8582 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:27 pm to
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They assumed a very high bearing capacity on soil that most likely cant take it.
Assumed? There was a geotechnical investigation done prior to design that would've provided the bearing capacities. And I'm sure it's a deep foundation system, anyway, so it's not bearing directly onto the soil just below the slab.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58624 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:29 pm to
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Very deep piles, I would assume.
what if bedrock isnt very deep?
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
You're an Idiot
Member since May 2013
8582 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:31 pm to
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what id bed rock isnt very deep?
Well then they'd obviously only be as deep as that allows.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21840 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:35 pm to
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There was a geotechnical investigation done prior to design that would've provided the bearing capacities. And I'm sure it's a deep foundation system, anyway, so it's not bearing directly onto the soil just below the slab.


If you have ever read a geotech report, you have read an assumed value calculated by a geotech engineer using data collected by borings, augers, and various equations.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21840 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:36 pm to
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what if bedrock isnt very deep?


Building on bedrock is an accepted building practice.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58624 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:38 pm to
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Building on bedrock is an accepted building practice.


did i say it wasnt?
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:39 pm to
I think the new train terminal was built near it.

But the foundation issues were apparent before that really started happening.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21840 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:40 pm to
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did i say it wasnt?


No .
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:41 pm to
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How soon before all the tenants abandon the building. Sounds like massive liability if you force employees to work in a building known to have structural problems.


It features a lot of residential...

...most of it very expensive housing.
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
8985 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:44 pm to
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I think the new train terminal was built near it.

But the foundation issues were apparent before that really started happening.



This. It was settling before they started the building process on the new terminal.

Maybe they should have gone down to bedrock?
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The foundation of the main tower is a concrete slab built on 60–90-foot-deep (18–27 m) concrete friction piles through the fill and Young Bay Mud, and embedded into dense Colma sand. A number of other buildings in 301 Mission Street’s area have used similar systems, although due to varying earth conditions, others have pushed piles directly into the bedrock 200 feet (61 m) below.[
Posted by PhillipJFry
Member since Sep 2016
1059 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:44 pm to
Yes,

Mark Benioff and Salesforce built a brand new building near it. Many blame them for this.
Posted by Grit-Eating Shin
You're an Idiot
Member since May 2013
8582 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:48 pm to
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If you have ever read a geotech report
If I ever have? Only about a hundred. It's not really "assumed" if it's based on the actual mechanical properties of the soil, but I don't want to hijack the thread with semantics. There is a myriad possible reasons that this tower is having issues, and we can only speculate about the cause.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:50 pm to
I'd think you would have more than 1 window cracked if it was from pressure because of the building leaning.
Posted by The Cool No 9
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Member since Jan 2014
11222 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:52 pm to
Add to that their radical liberal leadership, rampant homelessness, and failing subway system that will have to have miles of steel replaced because it was the wrong grade steel and you've got pretty lame city.
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
27245 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:53 pm to
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The foundation of the main tower is a concrete slab built on 60–90-foot-deep (18–27 m) concrete friction piles


Sounds like they didn't drive piles to refusal.

quote:

A number of other buildings in 301 Mission Street’s area have used similar systems, although due to varying earth conditions, others have pushed piles directly into the bedrock 200 feet (61 m) below


Assuming the bedrock is just as deep at this site, they built a very heavy building on top of piles that were not driven to refusal at bedrock depth. They're relying on sand. I'm no structural engineer, but with the weight of the tower bearing down on the soil like that, you have to wonder what the thought process was here.
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