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re: Russia Pounds ISIS With Biggest Bomber Raid in Decades
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:19 am to Street Hawk
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:19 am to Street Hawk
Russia wouldn't even consider launching such an airstrike if the airspace over Syria were contested. The aircraft and munitions being used are seriously inferior to those possessed and operated by the U.S. The effectiveness of the airstrike is nothing more than evidence of the national commitment to the cause.
Russia is committed, the U.S. not so much.
Russia is committed, the U.S. not so much.
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:20 am to Darth_Vader
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What did I say that was incorrect? Russia has rebuilt their military while we and the rest of the West are busy cutting ours to the bone.
US's military budget is 600+ Billion and Russia's is about 70 Billion. Your statement is absurd.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:21 am to Street Hawk
frick yeah now thats what im talking about. The way I see it is that Obama is like Les Miles he never puts his foot on the throat of an opponent. Putin is like Saban. Take no prisoners.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:24 am to armytiger16
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I hate to break it to you but this has a lot more to do with demonstrating/practicing capabilities than destroying ISIS. You think those high altitude bombers need fighter escorts from ISIS fighter jets?
exactly what I was thinking...Russia is making a statement...
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:28 am to Spankum
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exactly what I was thinking...Russia is making a statement
Agree. I always love my friend from Russia telling me Cold War stories about living in Moscow. The best are how they basically set the stage similar to a movie scene when Regan went there and how gorbachev thought we put every vehicle in the US in Detroit when he flew over the automotive factories.
It's all about smoke screens for them.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:45 am to BigPerm30
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US's military budget is 600+ Billion and Russia's is about 70 Billion. Your statement is absurd.
The notion that you can judge a military based solely on the amount of money spent on it is what's absurd.
Is Russia more powerful than the US when it comes to being a global militarily power? No, not even close. And I've never once said they were. But the fact still remains they are rearming and rebuilding their military while we are cutting ours back. This does not mean they're more powerful than us. But what it does mean is our huge lead on them is diminishing. And when it comes to Europe, they're now the main military power there. The West can continue to keep their heads buried in the Sand and pretend it's still 1995. But while we're doing that, Russia is fast rebuilding it's military into what it once was.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:48 am to Poodlebrain
ISIS wants US troops on the ground in Syria and Iraq. They want war and want to lure the world in. This is their goal.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:51 am to BigPerm30
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US's military budget is 600+ Billion and Russia's is about 70 Billion. Your statement is absurd.
$900 screwdrivers
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:51 am to Darth_Vader
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the US created ISIS.
We did? I can see you saying we are at least somewhat responsible for their rise due to Obama withdrawing our forces and thus creating the power vacuum that ISIS has used to rise to power. Is that what you're saying?
Haven't we been giving them weapons and support since the Mujahideen days, during the cold war in the 80's? If you follow the timeline, Mujahideen broke into groups after the Soviet-Afghantistan war, one being Al Qaeda. After Bin laden died, Al Qaeda started breaking into groups as well, one of them becoming ISIS.
Maybe so?
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 9:52 am
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:57 am to Street Hawk
No footage of the ordinance drop.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 9:58 am to Oxford Town
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ISIS wants US troops on the ground in Syria and Iraq. They want war and want to lure the world in. This is their goal.
Agreed. The simple fact that they want us there makes me agree with Obama's stance. Shudder.
If they attack everyone and we all go over there weird things could happen.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:01 am to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
Fwiw, I completely agree with you. People just like to get pissy when you start talking about other militaries.
The truth remains, we are significantly down sizing ours while Russia is completely rebuilding/rearming theirs at a very alarming rate. I'd be curious to see what their military looks like 10 years from now.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:04 am to BigPerm30
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quote: What did I say that was incorrect? Russia has rebuilt their military while we and the rest of the West are busy cutting ours to the bone. US's military budget is 600+ Billion and Russia's is about 70 Billion. Your statement is absurd.
Do you know how much civilian/government contractors charge the military for literally anything? It's a lot like contractors in the oil industry...they know they can get whatever the frick they want so they charge whatever the frick they want.
You cannot judge a military by dollars spent.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:04 am to Darth_Vader
Probably being downvoted because you're an Auburn fan.. 
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:10 am to Darth_Vader
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Russia has rebuilt their military while we and the rest of the West are busy cutting ours to the bone.
Agreed. We only have like what, 19 aircraft carriers? Just goes to show you how these younger generations want to have just enough to get by
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:11 am to Darth_Vader
quote:I think it was more of us being over there fricking with the structure of government that created a power vacuum, destabilizing the region. Similar to when you take out a drug kingpin in Mexico
Obama withdrawing our forces and thus creating the power vacuum
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:14 am to Grim
Do you realize if we went into a full scale war with a capable military, those precious carriers would be the first to be destroyed?
We aren't prepared in any way, shape, or form to go to war in Europe. We're shutting down/cutting almost every base over there and have been since 05'.
We aren't prepared in any way, shape, or form to go to war in Europe. We're shutting down/cutting almost every base over there and have been since 05'.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:15 am to Darth_Vader
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The notion that you can judge a military based solely on the amount of money spent on it is what's absurd.
Is Russia more powerful than the US when it comes to being a global militarily power? No, not even close. And I've never once said they were. But the fact still remains they are rearming and rebuilding their military while we are cutting ours back. This does not mean they're more powerful than us. But what it does mean is our huge lead on them is diminishing. And when it comes to Europe, they're now the main military power there. The West can continue to keep their heads buried in the Sand and pretend it's still 1995. But while we're doing that, Russia is fast rebuilding it's military into what it once was.
Two things - 1) Even if we were 50% wasteful in our spending and Russia was 100% efficient, it still doesn't change the fact that we are still developing our military at a much faster clip than them.
2) Even if we did "cut back" spending over the last few years and spent shite frivolously, we still outspend them by 9 times. There is no way they are closing the gap between us and them in a military sense. "Our huge lead" on them is not diminishing. It is just not growing at the same clip every year. In other words, we are still growing our lead, we are just not growing it as fast as previous years.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:17 am to Grim
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Agreed. We only have like what, 19 aircraft carriers? Just goes to show you how these younger generations want to have just enough to get by
The main threat Russia poses is to central and Western Europe. A war there would be a "continental" war with sea power playing a secondary role, mainly focusing keeping the shipping lanes between North Anerica and Europe open. The deciding factor in a Europen war would be conventional land forces and land based air forces. In both these areas Russia has a massive advantage where it counts, namely Europe.
Now this leads back to the question I asked earlier. Why is Russia rebuilding its military back to Cold War era levels when they are not faced with any threats? What do they plan to do with this massive military force they are building?
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:18 am to BigPerm30
That money being spent is for maintaining. Look at the recruiting numbers and bases being downsized. nothing points to growth.
That being said we would still dick slap russia
That being said we would still dick slap russia
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