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re: Revolver for home defense
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:12 pm to dnm3305
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:12 pm to dnm3305
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An carbine length AR is absolutely the best home defense weapon you can own
you are wrong. a .223 round is not the best "stopping" projectile. But this debate is like arseholes... everyone has a different opinion
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Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:19 pm to Cump11b
Why does stopping power trump accuracy/mag capacity/follow up shots/modularity?
And since when would anyone complain about .223 “stopping power” when loaded with personal defense rounds like any other home defense weapon?
And since when would anyone complain about .223 “stopping power” when loaded with personal defense rounds like any other home defense weapon?
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:20 pm to CajunLife
Mossberg 590 12 gauge behind my nightstand
HK VP9 in the nightstand
HK VP9 in my car
Desert Eagle 50, Win 308 and AR15 in my closet safe in case I need to take out a helicopter or something
HK VP9 in the nightstand
HK VP9 in my car
Desert Eagle 50, Win 308 and AR15 in my closet safe in case I need to take out a helicopter or something
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:29 pm to Cump11b
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I'm looking at thequote:
I'm looking at the Ruger gp100 because it also shoots .357
Kicks like a mule... has a lot of muzzle rise
My uncle bought me one as HS graduation gift in 1993 and remember this. Unfortunately it was stolen a year or two later when I was in college.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:31 pm to Cump11b
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"stopping" projectile
Stopping power is a myth outside of full power rifles, shotgun slugs, and large magnum revolvers.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:31 pm to Tyga Woods
I’ll have my HK P2000 forever. Cool arse double action pistol. Hinged hammer that’s down when it’s cocked. No safety at all, trigger, frame, anywhere...no decocker, just the trigger and bobbed hammer.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:32 pm to CajunLife
You can’t go wrong with a revolver but if you are wanting to defend your home, why not get multiple revolvers, semi autos, shotguns, and rifles? Then you can pick your poison depending on the threat that arrives.
This post was edited on 4/28/19 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:40 pm to done dancing
quote:This is the best response among all the bad asses. Bottomline is that if you are put in a situation where you have to shoot somebody, you're gonna be shaking and jacked up beyond belief.
You don't know what you'd do until put in the situation
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:46 pm to RealityTiger
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Bottomline is that if you are put in a situation where you have to shoot somebody, you're gonna be shaking and jacked up beyond belief.
Not necessarily.
Often times it happens so fast you really don't have time...its more of see the threat...shoot...and then deal with the reality that you were in a lethal force encounter.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:47 pm to Gaston
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HK P2000
One of the best pistols ever made, IMO
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:48 pm to CajunLife
I use my Judge but an Ithaca automatic pump works well too.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 10:50 pm to Tyga Woods
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HK P2000
One of the best pistols ever made, IMO
DAO triggers are straight garbage IMO
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:04 pm to upgrayedd
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DAO triggers are straight garbage IMO
You’re in the majority with that opinion.
I had a P2000 for about 5 years and loved it. Was super accurate. Bounced off the console of my boat into Cane River
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:07 pm to Tyga Woods
HK makes great guns. It's just the trigger on that thing that I can't stand. BP agents hate them for the most part as well
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:34 pm to Clames
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Stopping power is a myth
Wrong, stopping power/expansion is important. Yes, the velocity of a .223 has a great deal of cavitation, but does not create enough trauma. There is a reason the military is moving away from this round.
And yes, if you are using a critter round, it will expand. However, it will not match the trauma administered from a 00 Buchshot from a pump shotgun.
Posted on 4/28/19 at 11:41 pm to RATeamWannabe
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Why does stopping power trump accuracy/mag capacity/follow up shots/modularity?
Accuracy and the ability to deliver follow up shots are critical regardless of what you are shooting. However, many,if not most people are not able to accurately deliver with a carbine .223 in a stressful situation. there is a big difference between shooting under duress and at a range. Additionally, the overall length of a 16" AR is greater than a pistol grip mossberg or a pistol.
Yes, projectile technology has come a long way in the last 15 years, but I still wouldn't recommend an AR style rifle for home defense. I would recommend a pistol or a shotgun.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:12 am to Clames
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Because shooting what you are comfortable with trumps the advise of armchair self-defence experts.
And how many people find shooting an automatic handgun SO uncomfortable that they have no choice but to use a .38 revolver as their only manageable weapon? Shoot what you are comfortable and accurate with is obviously the rule of thumb but it doesn't really work in this instance of negligible, if any, comfort or recoil management issues. Of course that was just my advice, he can take it or leave it. I didn't hear him say he used the .38 revolver because he can't handle other weapons, did you?
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Yet another piece of consensus advise that has been debunked numerous times.
No, shotguns being good tools for home defense has not been debunked at all. Are there valid arguments for and against them? Yes. Welcome to basic firearm discussions.
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I bet you think pumping the action on a shotgun is a good way to scare off intruders too.
You'd bet wrong but of course your douche attitude makes that all too unsurprising.
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If you are so concerned with over-penetration then you'd have an AR-15 loaded with M193. Research, you need to do some.
I don't want to use an AR-15 for home defense. Again, I'm in an apartment and it's totally unnecessary. I can use a pistol with hollow point rounds to very adequately cover my needs. Also, eat a dick.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:37 am to Cump11b
You are clueless kid.
Why stopping power is a myth.
Stopping power is a myth...mostly.
And I could list dozens more including FBI, LEA, and military research but you know better than they do....
No we aren't.
Why stopping power is a myth.
Stopping power is a myth...mostly.
And I could list dozens more including FBI, LEA, and military research but you know better than they do....
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There is a reason the military is moving away from this round.
No we aren't.
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 12:39 am
Posted on 4/29/19 at 12:45 am to ChewyDante
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And how many people find shooting an automatic handgun SO uncomfortable that they have no choice but to use a .38 revolver as their only manageable weapon? Shoot what you are comfortable and accurate with is obviously the rule of thumb but it doesn't really work in this instance of negligible, if any, comfort or recoil management issues. Of course that was just my advice, he can take it or leave it. I didn't hear him say he used the .38 revolver because he can't handle other weapons, did you?
He asked about revolvers you raging incompetent. How did you waste that much time typing a wall of bullshite, based on assertions I never made, to miss that?
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Welcome to basic firearm discussions.
You will never teach me anything about basic firearms info. You don't have the education or the raw intelligence.
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You'd bet wrong but of course your douche attitude makes that all too unsurprising.
I'm right but butthurt retards like you are why AR15.com sucks.
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I don't want to use an AR-15 for home defense.
Nobody said you did, it's just the better option in dealing with over-penetration issues which is precisely the point your meager comprehension skills missed.
Posted on 4/29/19 at 1:07 am to Clames
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He asked about revolvers you raging incompetent. How did you waste that much time typing a wall of bullshite, based on assertions I never made, to miss that?
I'm aware of what he asked. You got all worked up that I would dare suggest he look at something other than revolvers for home defense, for what reasons who knows. You seem irrationally irritable in this discussion.
And assertions you never made? This was your exact response:
"Because shooting what you are comfortable with trumps the advise of armchair self-defence experts."
So you are not asserting here that he uses the .38 because it's what he's most comfortable with? What else did you mean?
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You will never teach me anything about basic firearms info.
Where did I say I would? You must have missed the point which was that there is always personal preference and disagreement on firearms choices. Must be all that "raw intelligence" you have that led you to miss that obvious context.
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I'm right but butthurt retards like you are why AR15.com sucks.
You're right about what? Your claim that you'd bet I think pumping a shotgun is a solid means of warding off intruders? Are you drunk posting?
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Nobody said you did, it's just the better option in dealing with over-penetration issues which is precisely the point your meager comprehension skills missed.
The fact that you think I didn't comprehend your point is, ironically, indicative of your own meager comprehension skills. Yes, you suggested if I was concerned about overpenetration then I would have an AR-15 with M193 ammunition for home defense. Do I need to walk you through the invalidity of that conclusion?
This post was edited on 4/29/19 at 1:08 am
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