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re: Retiring British General Warns NATO Unready for Russian Attack in Europe
Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:47 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:47 pm to upgrayedd
Perhaps I'm super naïve, but this is the day and age of cock flexing, and not doing shite with countries. The chances of Russia rolling its military through Europe to take control is ludicrous at best. They are happy just pissing people off with fly-by's etc.
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:50 pm to upgrayedd
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But don't those states have a reputation for resistance to Russian rule?
The Baltic States were first part of the Russian Empire, then briefly independent after the fall of the Czars, only to be gobbled up by the USSR early in WWII. Poland likewise had a history of Russian dominance and was a puppet of the Soviets for over 40 years after WWII.
So while these areas do have a reputation for chaffing at Russian rule, the Russians likewise have a brutal reputation for making them like it.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 2:57 pm to CoachDon
Nuclear war aside, they are essentially a lumbering brute. They might deliver a crushing first blow but after that their strength is essentially numbers. War with Europe would be degasting dir their country anyways.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 3:30 pm to Darth_Vader
The West is decadent and divided! - Gen Orlov
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:15 pm to Darth_Vader
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Ever hear of this thing called NATO?
Yes. What have they ever done for us?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:17 pm to Napoleon
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Well one issue I see, is now you would need a Russian visa to travel to the Baltics
Oh frick!
I couldn't go to the Baltics anymore?
How is that worth fighting a war over? Hint: it's not.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:34 pm to Breesus
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Oh frick!
I couldn't go to the Baltics anymore?
How is that worth fighting a war over? Hint: it's not.
I actually agree. Too bad our opinion on the matter don't count for jack shite though. Bottom line is if Russia attacks the Baltic States (or any other NATO member), thanks to the NATO treaty, we have no choice other than go to war.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:36 pm to FunroePete
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You have to be an idiot to think Russia could take over or would possibly attack any NATO country.
If we have a POTUS that appears weak or sends mixed signals on whether they intend to defend NATO countries, I could easily see Putin making a move on Estonia. It would be under the same pretext that Russia moved on Georgia and Ukraine - "protecting" ethnic Russians in those countries.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:38 pm to upgrayedd
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What would be the point of taking over a major European nation knowing you'd suffer massive losses and would be crippled by international economic sanctions?
You should ask the Crimeans that question.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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thanks to the NATO treaty, we have no choice other than go to war.
Yeah. America has such a long standing tradition of honoring treaties.
frick NATO. We have a choice, break the treaty, tell the winner to call us.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:40 pm to upgrayedd
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Yeah, it seems like they don't have much depth. Also sounds like half their officer corps is nothing but a bunch of fat drunks used to fighting the 3rd stringers.
tDecline is real. This never would have been a problem under Andropov.
They should fire Putin.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:52 pm to Breesus
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Yeah. America has such a long standing tradition of honoring treaties.
frick NATO. We have a choice, break the treaty, tell the winner to call us.
Again, I agree. I've got a son just over 3 years away from being of military age. There's not a ducking thing in Europe worth him going to fight for.
What I'm saying though is there is no way our leaders would ever not honor our NATO commitments.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 6:55 pm to CoachDon
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The chances of Russia rolling its military through Europe to take control is ludicrous at best. They are happy just pissing people off with fly-by's etc.
Man, some of you guys don't know anything about Russia and the paranoia of Russians.
That being said, am I the only person thinking of this?
"Hell, I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help!"
Posted on 9/19/16 at 7:40 pm to LongueCarabine
Lets send the SJW's to fight the USSR. They can crawl in their safe space when the soviets tell them where to go.
Seriously, things are also different with the Internet and the way people communicate. News travels faster which makes it hard for countries to control people.
I can see the USSR trying to take back some of the countries it use to control. Communism is probably a lot different from what we remember during the Cold War.
Seriously, things are also different with the Internet and the way people communicate. News travels faster which makes it hard for countries to control people.
I can see the USSR trying to take back some of the countries it use to control. Communism is probably a lot different from what we remember during the Cold War.
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 9/19/16 at 8:27 pm to upgrayedd
France, the U.K., and Germany have complete garbage militaries.
I don't believe for a second that Russia is going to/ ever will invade Europe. BUT they could take any country they wanted in Europe. Just look at these NATO countries. It's embarrassing. I seriously hope the USA is developing secret weaponry, because in just a few years Russia could have a more advanced military. They have a ton of modernization projects I'm not going to list. I'd be willing to bet Russia has more equipment built after 2000 than the US does.
Let's not act like the US military is full of modern equipment.
Russia:
MBT - T-14 Armata (2015)
Bomber - TU-95 Bear (1956)
Stealth Bomber - PAK-DA (Testing)
Supersonic Bomber - TU-160 (1981)
Fighter Jet - SU-35S (2013) (1,734 MPH)
Stealth Fighter - PAK-FA (2010) (1,516 mph)
Multi Role Fighter - SU-30 (1996)
Newest Sub - K-329 Severodvinsk (2014)
USA:
MBT - M1 Abrams (1980)
Bomber - B52 (1955)
Stealth Bomber - B2 Spirit (1997)
Supersonic Bomber (Fighter bomber only)
Fighter Jet - F22 Raptor (2005) (1,498 MPH)
Stealth Fighter - F22 Raptor (above)
Multi role Fighter - F35 Lightning (2006)
Newest Sub - SSN-774 Virginia Class (2004)
I don't believe for a second that Russia is going to/ ever will invade Europe. BUT they could take any country they wanted in Europe. Just look at these NATO countries. It's embarrassing. I seriously hope the USA is developing secret weaponry, because in just a few years Russia could have a more advanced military. They have a ton of modernization projects I'm not going to list. I'd be willing to bet Russia has more equipment built after 2000 than the US does.
Let's not act like the US military is full of modern equipment.
Russia:
MBT - T-14 Armata (2015)
Bomber - TU-95 Bear (1956)
Stealth Bomber - PAK-DA (Testing)
Supersonic Bomber - TU-160 (1981)
Fighter Jet - SU-35S (2013) (1,734 MPH)
Stealth Fighter - PAK-FA (2010) (1,516 mph)
Multi Role Fighter - SU-30 (1996)
Newest Sub - K-329 Severodvinsk (2014)
USA:
MBT - M1 Abrams (1980)
Bomber - B52 (1955)
Stealth Bomber - B2 Spirit (1997)
Supersonic Bomber (Fighter bomber only)
Fighter Jet - F22 Raptor (2005) (1,498 MPH)
Stealth Fighter - F22 Raptor (above)
Multi role Fighter - F35 Lightning (2006)
Newest Sub - SSN-774 Virginia Class (2004)
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 8:36 pm
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