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re: Recording of Hitler's normal speaking voice secretly taped by Finnish engineer
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:51 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:51 pm to Bench McElroy
I was more interested in what he was saying about Romania and the threat of Russia taking their oil fields. People always refer to a war on two fronts to being their downfall (and it honestly was), but he certainly makes it seem like his weakness in the East was being extorted by Stalin's USSR.
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Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:56 pm to bountyhunter
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I was more interested in what he was saying about Romania and the threat of Russia taking their oil fields. People always refer to a war on two fronts to being their downfall (and it honestly was), but he certainly makes it seem like his weakness in the East was being extorted by Stalin's USSR.
Its been speculated for years that had the Germans not struck in 1941, the Soviets would have done so within a couple years. Basically Hitler's thinking was strike now before they're ready than wait around until they are.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:24 pm to Bench McElroy
This is blocked here in Germany 
I wanted to hear it. The voice you associate him with is a pretty contrived "military speak." So its no surprise his real voice sounds very different.
I wanted to hear it. The voice you associate him with is a pretty contrived "military speak." So its no surprise his real voice sounds very different.Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:30 pm to Darth_Vader
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Its been speculated for years that had the Germans not struck in 1941, the Soviets would have done so within a couple years. Basically Hitler's thinking was strike now before they're ready than wait around until they are.
Exactly. Its not that hard to figure out. The Russian military was weak from the Purges and undergoing a rearmament program of unprecedented proportion with a huge fanatical population and a dangerous, ambitious Bolschevistic ideology. They weren't building their military up so that they could sell it to the Germans or in case they were invaded by Finland. It was destined to clash with Germany for European supremacy. Only a fool would wait until the Soviets were done with their rearmament to fight them when Germany currently had a first-rate military that wasn't widening the gap in military capability.
But I guess more convenient to just chalk it up to Hitler being insane and the Germans being bored.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:33 pm to bbeck
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Why is this just now being discovered?
It's not.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:16 pm to TheSexecutioner
What I found surprising is how Japan didn't help Germany versus Russia, but immediately after Pearl harbor Germany declared war on the US when they didn't have to do so.
Three big what ifs?
First what if Germany didn't declare war on the US?
Second, what if Japan attacked Russia in the Far East and made Russia fight a two front war?
Third what if Germany simplified the Russian invasion to just attack the oil field in Caucasus instead of fighting from Leningrad all the way to Crimea on one huge front?
BTW, if Hitler and Stalin were destined to become enemies, then why did Hitler invade Poland and Western Europe? Couldn't he have consolidated his gains in Austria and Czechoslovakia and firmed up his alliance with Romania?
Edited to correct error.
Three big what ifs?
First what if Germany didn't declare war on the US?
Second, what if Japan attacked Russia in the Far East and made Russia fight a two front war?
Third what if Germany simplified the Russian invasion to just attack the oil field in Caucasus instead of fighting from Leningrad all the way to Crimea on one huge front?
BTW, if Hitler and Stalin were destined to become enemies, then why did Hitler invade Poland and Western Europe? Couldn't he have consolidated his gains in Austria and Czechoslovakia and firmed up his alliance with Romania?
Edited to correct error.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:21 pm to doubleb
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Third what if Germany simplified the Russian invasion to just attack the oil field in Crimea instead of fighting from Leningrad all the way to Crimea on one huge front?
Caucasus.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:23 pm to ChewyDante
Too bad there's no audiotape of the meltdown when he finds out Steiner's attack didn't happen.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:25 pm to ChewyDante
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Caucasus.
Yes, the Caucasus, thanks
Posted on 12/28/15 at 3:23 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Too bad there's no audiotape of the meltdown when he finds out Steiner's attack didn't happen.
We are lucky to have this one unique recording but I agree that it would be awesome to have more recordings like this one.
In any event, if recordings were made of Hitler's conferences in the last days of the war, they would have fallen into the hands of the Soviets. Who knows whether the Soviets would have made them available to the public? Probably not.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:34 pm to TheSexecutioner
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This is blocked here in Germany I wanted to hear it.
No shite? A YouTube video?
Wow. I wouldn't have guessed that to be true. Maybe China...not Germany.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:44 pm to bountyhunter
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I was more interested in what he was saying about Romania and the threat of Russia taking their oil fields.
His concern over Romania was genuine, but his own occupation there was already criminal. His Romania excuse was duplicitous, regardless, because his highest motivations were always conquering Russia and eliminating Jewry, and if he had utilized his military in guarding the Romanian oilfields instead of his Russian invasion we might still have a Nazi state in Europe.
His excuses we hear in that recording for his own incompetence of scrutiny and then lack of vision and execution are fascinating even when totally predictable.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 5:55 pm to Bench McElroy
Sounds like what I would imagine the devil sounds like.
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