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Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:07 am
Posted by secfballfan
Member since Feb 2016
2892 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:07 am
OK, obviously attorney's have to protect attorney client privilege or be disbarred. However, if an attorney knows his client is guilty of something terrible (say murder) can the attorney accept disbarment and testify against his former client?

Just curious it's not like I just met Chris Hansen when I went over to meet a girl I met on line who baked me brownies or anything.
Posted by BeachDude022
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:07 am to
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Just curious it's not like I just met Chris Hansen when I went over to meet a girl I met on line who baked me brownies or anything.


I don’t believe you
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:07 am to
quote:

it's not like I just met Chris Hansen when I went over to meet a girl I met on line who baked me brownies or anything.



sure it isn't, sure it isn't
Posted by 850SaintsGator
Pensacola
Member since Sep 2021
2236 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:09 am to
My defense lawyer friends say…that even the worst criminals deserve good representation- the person’s guilt isn’t in question-
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22151 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:09 am to
It's the client's privilege. A judge would never allow that testimony. Only under extremely rare circumstances (attorney has knowledge that places another life at danger, i.e., client tells attorney that kidnap victim is tied up at such and such location) can the attorney divulge that information.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421730 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:10 am to
quote:

can the attorney accept disbarment and testify against his former client?

Attorney client privilege doesn't apply when covering up a crime. Attorneys can testify against clients in related circumstances without risk of disbarment.

ABA Guidance - NOT LEGAL ADVICE

quote:

Paragraph (b)(2) is a limited exception to the rule of confidentiality that permits the lawyer to reveal information to the extent necessary to enable affected persons or appropriate authorities to prevent the client from committing a crime or fraud, as defined in Rule 1.0(d), that is reasonably certain to result in substantial injury to the financial or property interests of another and in furtherance of which the client has used or is using the lawyer’s services. Such a serious abuse of the client-lawyer relationship by the client forfeits the protection of this Rule. The client can, of course, prevent such disclosure by refraining from the wrongful conduct. Although paragraph (b)(2) does not require the lawyer to reveal the client’s misconduct, the lawyer may not counsel or assist the client in conduct the lawyer knows is criminal or fraudulent. See Rule 1.2(d). See also Rule 1.16 with respect to the lawyer’s obligation or right to withdraw from the representation of the client in such circumstances, and Rule 1.13(c), which permits the lawyer, where the client is an organization, to reveal information relating to the representation in limited circumstances.

[8] Paragraph (b)(3) addresses the situation in which the lawyer does not learn of the client’s crime or fraud until after it has been consummated. Although the client no longer has the option of preventing disclosure by refraining from the wrongful conduct, there will be situations in which the loss suffered by the affected person can be prevented, rectified or mitigated. In such situations, the lawyer may disclose information relating to the representation to the extent necessary to enable the affected persons to prevent or mitigate reasonably certain losses or to attempt to recoup their losses. Paragraph (b)(3) does not apply when a person who has committed a crime or fraud thereafter employs a lawyer for representation concerning that offense.

[9] A lawyer's confidentiality obligations do not preclude a lawyer from securing confidential legal advice about the lawyer's personal responsibility to comply with these Rules. In most situations, disclosing information to secure such advice will be impliedly authorized for the lawyer to carry out the representation. Even when the disclosure is not impliedly authorized, paragraph (b)(4) permits such disclosure because of the importance of a lawyer's compliance with the Rules of Professional Conduct.


ABA Model Rule 1.6

quote:

(b) A lawyer may reveal information relating to the representation of a client to the extent the lawyer reasonably believes necessary:

(1) to prevent reasonably certain death or substantial bodily harm;

(2) to prevent the client from committing a crime or fraud that is reasonably certain to result in substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another and in furtherance of which the client has used or is using the lawyer's services;

(3) to prevent, mitigate or rectify substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another that is reasonably certain to result or has resulted from the client's commission of a crime or fraud in furtherance of which the client has used the lawyer's services;

(4) to secure legal advice about the lawyer's compliance with these Rules;

(5) to establish a claim or defense on behalf of the lawyer in a controversy between the lawyer and the client, to establish a defense to a criminal charge or civil claim against the lawyer based upon conduct in which the client was involved, or to respond to allegations in any proceeding concerning the lawyer's representation of the client;

(6) to comply with other law or a court order; or

(7) to detect and resolve conflicts of interest arising from the lawyer’s change of employment or from changes in the composition or ownership of a firm, but only if the revealed information would not compromise the attorney-client privilege or otherwise prejudice the client.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:11 am to
quote:

Attorney client privilege doesn't apply when covering up a crime. Attorneys can testify against clients in related circumstances without risk of disbarment.



who do you think you are? some big shot lawyer or something?
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71340 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:12 am to
I'm assuming if your client literally tells you they did it, it would be illegal to put them on the stand and have them say they didn't.
Posted by The Torch
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Member since Aug 2014
19245 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:13 am to
Send $250.00 to freeadvicefromanonlawyer@cashapp and I'll answer
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8143 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:14 am to
Im not a lawyer but I can’t see any way you can admit your testimony if the client told you when you were his lawyer.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421730 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:14 am to
quote:

I'm assuming if your client literally tells you they did it, it would be illegal to put them on the stand and have them say they didn't.

This is correct.

There are actually pretty standard procedures if this happens. Usually only occurs when it's established the client isn't testifying and then during trial changes his/her mind. Otherwise, even midgrade attorneys know not to ask the client what happened (it's somewhat irrelevant anyway in most instances).
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8143 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:16 am to
If your client is found not guilty, and it’s over. And he’s no longer your client, can you tell people he did it?

Or does attorney privilege last forever?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421730 posts
Posted on 5/23/23 at 10:20 am to
quote:

If your client is found not guilty, and it’s over. And he’s no longer your client, can you tell people he did it?

No.

quote:

Or does attorney privilege last forever?


From the link above:

quote:

The duty of confidentiality continues after the client-lawyer relationship has terminated. See Rule 1.9(c)(2). See Rule 1.9(c)(1) for the prohibition against using such information to the disadvantage of the former client.
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