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Question about Yucatan and Maya surnames
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:42 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:42 am
Background: The Yucatan peninsula is comprised of the Mexican states of Campeche, Yucatan and Quintana Roo. I was doing some research and found that Maya surnames are VERY common in Yucatan state, but much less so in Campeche and Quintana Roo. I found this odd, since the Maya homeland covered all three states, and was arguably even stronger in QR state than in Yucatan state.
Does anyone know why the Maya surnames have survived and thrived in Yucatan, but not in Campeche or Quintana Roo?
Does anyone know why the Maya surnames have survived and thrived in Yucatan, but not in Campeche or Quintana Roo?
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 9:43 am
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:43 am to Antoninus
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Does anyone know why the Maya surnames have survived and thrived in Yucatan, but not in Campeche or Quintana Roo?
el nerdo board
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:46 am to Antoninus
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:46 am to Antoninus
We’re not going to help you write your term paper, Stephen.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:47 am to Antoninus
The only one I can think of offhand is Angelou.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:49 am to GreenRockTiger
quote:Thank you. I've read that.
The Mayan Surname
There are lots of articles about the persistence of the surnames, but none that I can find which address why they persist in one of the states, but not the other two.
In Yucatan, seven of the ten most common surnames are Maya in origin.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:53 am to 0x15E
quote:I was trying to find unique but realistic names for several characters in a short story I am writing, set in part in the Yucatan peninsula.
We’re not going to help you write your term paper
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:56 am to Antoninus
Well what surnames are more prevalent in Campeche and QR? Can’t you just look at the origin of the names and trace them back?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:00 am to Antoninus
Was it bc there were more royalty in the Yucatan?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:08 am to rmnldr
quote:Basically the same Hispanic surnames that prevail throughout Mexico, though there do seem to be slightly more with Galician roots than is the norm in most Mexican states. (e.g. Lopez, Perez and Garcia are in the top five in both states).
Well what surnames are more prevalent in Campeche and QR? Can’t you just look at the origin of the names and trace them back?
Given the history of the peninsula, I would expect MORE Maya names to survive in QR, since the independent Maya Republic that originally covered both Yucatan and QR, lasted in QR until the early 1900s but was mostly defeated in Yucatan by the 1870s or so. It was supported by British Honduras (now Belize).
But its capital was located in the eastern part of what is now Yucatan, so that may be a part of it. It was really their only "big" town.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:10 am to Antoninus
Can you give examples of the names?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:11 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Can you give examples of the names?
Mcgillicuddy, Epstein, Schwartz
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:12 am to Antoninus
Just call them all, ‘ese’
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:15 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Top Ten in Yucatan are:
Can you give examples of the names?
Chan
Pech
Canul
May
Canche
Dzul
Perez
Gonzalez
Lopez
Poot
Only the three boldface are Hispanic. The other seven are Maya in origin.
I would expect Campeche to have the fewest surviving names, since it remained independent the shortest time, but the top 20 contain the following Maya names:
Chan
Pech
Uc
Chi
May
QR's top twenty have a few Maya names as well:
Chan
Pech
May
Poot
Canul
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 11:11 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:18 am to Antoninus
So then just set the short story in QR and be done with it?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:18 am to Antoninus
May Poot is a good name.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:19 am to SidetrackSilvera
quote:I already named the characters, but I am still curious about the underlying question.
So then just set the short story in QR and be done with it?
The survival of more indigenous names in Yucatan in general is explained by less intermarriage and thus fewer mestizos. Basically, the Maya were kept separate as slaves (maybe "serfs") more strictly and for longer than in other parts of Mexico. But that does no explain the greater survival of the names in only one of the three states.
It also doesn't explain why the mostly-indigenous folks in Nayarit on the west coast (descended from Aztecs) did not keep indigenous surnames.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 10:28 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:21 am to Antoninus
QR is full of mayans when you get away from the beach. Whole communities that barely speak Spanish.
Also you see a lot of X and T names in mayan.
Also you see a lot of X and T names in mayan.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:25 am to Napoleon
quote:Both true.
QR is full of mayans when you get away from the beach. Whole communities that barely speak Spanish.
Also you see a lot of X and T names in mayan.
I had also considered the possibility that there has been more Latino in-migration to QR, to support the resorts on the Playa Maya, but I would not expect there to have been enough migration in the last two or so generations to knock the indigenous names fully out of the top ten.
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