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re: Proposed and Conceptual Interstate Corridors in Louisiana
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:58 am to White Roach
Posted on 11/3/15 at 11:58 am to White Roach
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More interestingly, why is an interstate highway south of I-12 designated as I-18?
Because the majority of I-18 would still be located north of I-12. It's also probably why part of the proposed I-14 is north of I-18 in Louisiana as well.
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Posted on 11/3/15 at 12:03 pm to Salmon
Please tell me you're not serious about 49 inner City connector?! It's an absolute joke that people are actually fighting this...the propsed route would go through queens borough, which is full of run down homes & ghetto. The ICC would be the best thing to happen to these areas. But don't let progress get on the way of public housing!?! Wtf
Posted on 11/3/15 at 12:51 pm to NoBoBullDog
He had to be joking. The absolute worst neighborhood in north louisiana would be bulldozed connecting 49. A win-win.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:01 pm to NoBoBullDog
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Please tell me you're not serious about 49 inner City connector?! It's an absolute joke that people are actually fighting this...the propsed route would go through queens borough, which is full of run down homes & ghetto. The ICC would be the best thing to happen to these areas.
no I'm not joking
it would kill that area even moreso, along with several other areas that are not as bad, as well as effectively kill the west side of downtown that has several promising projects coming along
and where would all those people go? guess what, they would all just move and destroy more areas
the "lets just demolish all the bad areas" reasoning is incredibly short sighted
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:08 pm to Salmon
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it would kill that area even moreso, along with several other areas that are not as bad, as well as effectively kill the west side of downtown that has several promising projects coming along
Surely you are joking. You obviously didn't live here before the span of I-49 was completed between Bert Kouns and I-20. There isn't much left of Allendale to kill in that area, as probably 70% or more of the structures aren't in existence any more. It seems to be almost common sense that finishing this segment along with linking the port to the interstate road system are two of the best things that could be done economically in the area. The only people fighting this have to be tied into the governmental housing projects stealing taxpayer dollars.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:08 pm to BayouNation
This is about as stupid as anything I've ever seen. There's no way MS would spend the money to completely redo US84 through Natchez into Vidalia after they just built a new cross over in the middle of town. None. Zero. Also, I-14 through the gut of LA is completely unnecessary.
And good luck getting that blue loop through livingston parish.
And good luck getting that blue loop through livingston parish.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:10 pm to Horsemeat
I-69 is already being built in places as Texas is updating 59 to be part of the roadway. Other than that and I-49 to New Orleans and the Shreveport Inner City connector the rest of these seem like pipe dreams.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:12 pm to TigerDog83
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You obviously didn't live here before the span of I-49 was completed between Bert Kouns and I-20.
you mean the section that completely separated south Shreveport?
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It seems to be almost common sense that finishing this segment along with linking the port to the interstate road system are two of the best things that could be done economically in the area.
please tell me how running a interstate straight through a neighborhood will actually improve it?
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The only people fighting this have to be tied into the governmental housing projects stealing taxpayer dollars.
or people that look at other cities mistakes, like running interstates through downtown, and decide not to make the same mistakes that other cities made 20-30 years ago
if you run an interstate through the city, you can guarantee it will only create more blight in that area and it will not improve...EVER
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:19 pm to Salmon
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if you run an interstate through the city, you can guarantee it will only create more blight in that area and it will not improve...EVER
Hard to create more blight out of empty fields and grown over lots with only slabs remaining. It blows my mind why anyone who isn't gaining money off of the ridiculous government projects could be against this span. If the city cares about bringing downtown back at any point the interstate linkage would be a positive step. Policy cannot be determined by the interests of the 5 or 6 people still living in Allendale or the developers robbing tax dollars to build projects.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:22 pm to TigerDog83
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It blows my mind why anyone who isn't gaining money off of the ridiculous government projects could be against this span.
people that actually care about the city and do not want to see it abandon an area, but would rather try to improve the area?
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If the city cares about bringing downtown back at any point the interstate linkage would be a positive step.
well that is just completely wrong
cities all over the country and trying to tear down their overpass interstates next to downtown why would we repeat the mistakes of other cities? why not learn from their mistakes?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:27 pm to Salmon
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why would we repeat the mistakes of other cities? why not learn from their mistakes?
There is already a corridor that is practically empty most of the route, so it's not like this is running directly through downtown. This would simply link the N-S corridor on the west side of downtown much like I-20 does on the south side of downtown. Do you advocate tearing down I-20 through the city? The southern portion that was completed in the late 1990's ushered in growth in the southern portion of the parish due to accessibility with downtown and the other parts of the city. It didn't destroy the southern side of the city like you claim. Allendale is way too far gone to worry about bringing it back to it's former self in any imaginable scenario.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:29 pm to Salmon
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as well as effectively kill the west side of downtown that has several promising projects coming along
Do tell on which projects that are promising would be killed on the west side of downtown due to an interstate?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:37 pm to TigerDog83
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Do you advocate tearing down I-20 through the city?
yes...and guess what? it will be torn down eventually
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The southern portion that was completed in the late 1990's ushered in growth in the southern portion of the parish due to accessibility with downtown and the other parts of the city.
exactly...it ushered in growth more outerwardly, not towards downtown, which is the exact opposite trend we are city in every other city today
all this will do is kill an inner city neighborhood moreso and west side of downtown and improve more suburbs
congrats on continually being behind the rest of the world
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:41 pm to TigerDog83
Looking at a map of the area, it does look like the connector could go through an area that is mainly overgrown. However, I could see this becoming the same type of mistake that divided BTRs downtown in the 60's. By building a normal, above grade connector, you essentially cut off downtown Shreveport from the west side streets. This would most certainly cut of downtown expansion, as it has in BTR. You can even see evidence of the street grid that used to exist before 20 cut through the southern part of downtown. Essentially by building that section of the connector in the wrong manner, you would close in downtown Shreveport on all sides, either by freeway or water.
If this indeed is the path the connector needs to take, a below grade connector that maintains the established block system would probably be better. It may even spur new development in the Allendale area because of new opportunities.
If this indeed is the path the connector needs to take, a below grade connector that maintains the established block system would probably be better. It may even spur new development in the Allendale area because of new opportunities.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:46 pm to TigerRob20
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However, I could see this becoming the same type of mistake that divided BTRs downtown in the 60's. By building a normal, above grade connector, you essentially cut off downtown Shreveport from the west side streets. This would most certainly cut of downtown expansion, as it has in BTR. You can even see evidence of the street grid that used to exist before 20 cut through the southern part of downtown. Essentially by building that section of the connector in the wrong manner, you would close in downtown Shreveport on all sides, either by freeway or water.
exactly
but for some reason Shreveport refuses to learn from other cities
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:46 pm to Salmon
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exactly...it ushered in growth more outerwardly, not towards downtown, which is the exact opposite trend we are city in every other city today
There are far more factors not allowing Shreveport to grow in the downtown area namely poor government and excessive taxes. There is ample land available for all kinds of development and renewal but there is limited demand for downtown living and attractions save for the subsidized housing. What makes the situation different than Houston for example with lots of downtown and midtown revitalization ongoing? The lack of a grocery store downtown is more of a factor in no one wanting to live there. Allendale is beyond saving west of any proposed interstate corridor to begin with.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:49 pm to TigerDog83
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What makes the situation different than Houston for example with lots of downtown and midtown revitalization ongoing?
you mean the same Houston that is proposing to tear down their inner city interstate overpasses?
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The lack of a grocery store downtown is more of a factor in no one wanting to live there.
right...so lets create more blight which will only lessen the attractiveness of downtown and the entire area
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Allendale is beyond saving west of any proposed interstate corridor to begin with.
its not...just look at NOLA where all these old ghettos are getting gentrified
simply...putting an interstate there is only going to create more blight...not lessen it
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:50 pm to Salmon
So by your logic 20, 220, 3132, 49, Teague & Cyde Fant parkways have caused irrefutable damage to Shreveport Bossier?!
*Dude, the current Hwy infrastructure, parkways & future 49N connector have been major successes. Without these SHV/Bossier would be.....Lafayette with congested roadways & crippling traffic.
*you would be an excellent spokesman for the city's housing authority. You should be happy though, the city has built brand new public housing (which will be crap in 20 years) blocking the propsed route of the ICC. Yay
*Dude, the current Hwy infrastructure, parkways & future 49N connector have been major successes. Without these SHV/Bossier would be.....Lafayette with congested roadways & crippling traffic.
*you would be an excellent spokesman for the city's housing authority. You should be happy though, the city has built brand new public housing (which will be crap in 20 years) blocking the propsed route of the ICC. Yay
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:51 pm to TigerRob20
Can see I-14 being built as a "National Defence" project because of FT Polk but there's no way in hell they're gonna build a freeway across the spillway. Mind Boggling expense.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 1:55 pm to NoBoBullDog
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So by your logic 20, 220, 3132, 49, Teague & Cyde Fant parkways have caused irrefutable damage to Shreveport Bossier?!
the 20 that cuts through just south of downtown and the part of 49 that cuts through north of Bert Kouns...yes, those have caused blight in those areas and this cannot really be argued
220 and 3132 are loops...which is how is supposed to work
Teague and Clyde Fant are not interstates
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