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re: Preliminary Ratings: Lacombe Tornado - EF1; NOLA/Arabi Tornado - EF3
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:23 am to ReadyPlayer1
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:23 am to ReadyPlayer1
EF1 on the Northshore nado.
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:26 am to Roll Tide Ravens
I joke with my wife that we always had a "cork" that prevented tornadoes from coming our way - but the cork was popped, and now its fair game. probly climate change.....I KID
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:34 am to Duke
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For those who cant afford it, there should be gov programs to pay for it in places like Oklahoma, Mississippi, and Alabama.
No! frick that! Everyone should take responsibility for themselves and their families.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:37 am to Duke
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EF1 on the Northshore nado.
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NWS New Orleans @NWSNewOrleans
Preliminary information - Survey crew that was surveying in Lacombe found damage consistent with an EF-1. More info to come later.
https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu
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Source: NWS STORM SURVEY UTC Valid: 2022-03-23T00:25:00Z
Remark: NWS TORNADO SURVEY FOUND A TORNADO THAT STARTED NEAR BIG BRANCH MARSH NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE ON HIGHWAY 190. TORNADO CONTINUED NE CROSSING I-12 AND UP TO HIGHWAY 36. MAJORITY OF DAMAGE WAS TREES SNAPPED AND TREE/SHED DAMAGE. CONCLUDED INTENSITY OF EF1 90MPH.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:41 am to Thracken13
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has always been that Oak or Red mountain typically steers the worst of the storms north of downtown towards Gardendale or Fultondale, or south through Chelsea and areas like that - it really had to be perfect to get in between them and come up through Pelham and Hoover at the like - but that is starting to seem more frequent.
The truth is that it’s likely nothing has changed and it was all just pure good fortune in the first place
Posted on 3/23/22 at 10:56 am to Wishnitwas1998
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David Grunfeld @DavidGrunfeld
First light look at the tornado damage in Arabi, La., east of New Orleans Wednesday, March 23,2022. Photo by David Grunfeld, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:00 am to rt3
That’s EF-2 damage.
ETA: but I’ve seen pictures that look like worse damage than that. High end EF-2 low end EF-3 checks out.
ETA: but I’ve seen pictures that look like worse damage than that. High end EF-2 low end EF-3 checks out.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 11:02 am
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:04 am to The Boat
preliminary EF-3 for NOLA/Arabi tornado
NWS Chat
NWS Chat
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LAZ034>037-039-046>050-056>061-063>072-075>078-MSZ068>071-077-
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PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1057 AM CDT WED MAR 23 2022
...NWS METEOROLOGISTS CURRENTLY SURVEYING STORM DAMAGE NEAR ARABI
IN ST BERNARD PARISH LOUISIANA WITH AT LEAST EF-3 DAMAGE...
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE IN NEW ORLEANS LA IS
CURRENTLY CONDUCTING A STORM SURVEY FOR THE AREA NEAR ARABI IN ST
BERNARD PARISH LOUISIANA. THE SURVEY IS IN RELATION TO THE SEVERE
THUNDERSTORMS THAT MOVED THROUGH THE AREA ON 03/22/2022. CURRENT
DAMAGE REVIEWED SHOWS AT LEAST EF-3 DAMAGE OCCURED LAST EVENING.
A FINAL ASSESSMENT INCLUDING RESULTS OF THE ENTIRE SURVEY ARE
EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED AND TRANSMITTED VIA A PUBLIC INFORMATION
STATEMENT IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
THE STORM SURVEY INFORMATION WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE ON OUR
WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.WEATHER.GOV/LIX
$$
SCHOTT
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:05 am to rt3
Prayers to the victims. I hope insurance takes care of them. And jealous of the green grass, I haven't seen green grass here since September..
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:08 am to Duke
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There's only so much you can do for an EF3+. Its not practical to make a fully poured in place reenforced concrete house, so safe rooms are the only reasonable option for most. For those who cant afford it, there should be gov programs to pay for it in places like Oklahoma, Mississippi, and Alabama.
Plus community shelters for mobile home heavy areas.
You’ll be fine in an EF-3 in a well constructed building. The problem is when an EF-3 goes through poorer parts of town or poor rural areas. The houses in that part of the city aren’t the strongest in the world.
EF-4 is where you start to kiss your butt goodbye unless you can get underground.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:11 am to rt3
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preliminary EF-3 for NOLA/Arabi tornado
That's about what I was thinking. It is always hard to judge with the first pics that come out from the ground. You get a broader look from the air and it tells a better story. Then, when you get into violent tornadoes it is all about the finer details.
This damage looks very similar to damage from an EF3 up my way that nearly wenr over some of my family.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:13 am to The Boat
this will become the 2nd EF3 tornado to hit the NOLA metro in the last 5 years
amazing thing is having grown up in NOLA all my life... I can't remember significant tornadoes in the NOLA metro like these ever before these 2
amazing thing is having grown up in NOLA all my life... I can't remember significant tornadoes in the NOLA metro like these ever before these 2
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:14 am to LegendInMyMind
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That's about what I was thinking. It is always hard to judge with the first pics that come out from the ground. You get a broader look from the air and it tells a better story.
Eh we nailed it here on the OT quick like usual
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:14 am to The Boat
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You’ll be fine in an EF-3 in a well constructed building. The problem is when an EF-3 goes through poorer parts of town or poor rural areas. The houses in that part of the city aren’t the strongest in the world.
Yeah, a well built home should only lose a roof and maybe a wall in an EF3 you right. Probably should have said EF4+ when discussing building codes.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:16 am to The Boat
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You’ll be fine in an EF-3 in a well constructed building. The problem is when an EF-3 goes through poorer parts of town or poor rural areas. The houses in that part of the city aren’t the strongest in the world.
Which is why the public awareness and sociology part of what the SPC and local NWS offices do is so important. Some people will always scream "HYPE!", but the fact of the matter is that they have to do everything they can to get people out of bad situations that will cause fatalities.
An EFanything can kill someone in a mobile home or vehicle. You give people the lead time of the overall setup, and hope they do what they need to do.
We will never save everyone from high end violent tornadoes. It just isn't possible. Fortunately, those tornadoes are still in the minority of storms.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 11:17 am
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:22 am to LegendInMyMind
Think about how far we have come, though. I do sometimes.
During the 1974 Super Outbreak there were only a handful of people in a given state, an entire state, with access to radar. The radar they had was archaic compared to what we can hold in the palm of our hand now. Old radar images just blow my mind.
Now, we have a bunch of jackoffs on something called a message board or Twitter or YouTube pointing out problematic storms anywhere in the country. Sure, it can have its negatives at times, and sometimes information overload becomes a real thing, but we know so much more now than then.
During the 1974 Super Outbreak there were only a handful of people in a given state, an entire state, with access to radar. The radar they had was archaic compared to what we can hold in the palm of our hand now. Old radar images just blow my mind.
Now, we have a bunch of jackoffs on something called a message board or Twitter or YouTube pointing out problematic storms anywhere in the country. Sure, it can have its negatives at times, and sometimes information overload becomes a real thing, but we know so much more now than then.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:25 am to rt3
I figured the NOLA one would be an EF2, but now that I'm seeing the damage photos...it's clearly a damn powerful tornado.
Any posters impacted by that?
Any posters impacted by that?
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:37 am to rt3
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this will become the 2nd EF3 tornado to hit the NOLA metro in the last 5 years
amazing thing is having grown up in NOLA all my life... I can't remember significant tornadoes in the NOLA metro like these ever before these 2
Tornadoes are weird like that. We are doing so well at learning to predict tornado outbreaks these days, and communicating the risks to people. But there's still a weird element of randomness to it.
An example - the mid south gets tornados every year, especially 100 miles north or south of I-40. When I lived in Memphis, the tornados would miss the populated parts of Shelby County and terrorize areas like Dyersburg, Forrest City, Byhalia, Tunica, Atoka, or Jackson (TN). Excluding some examples in 1994 when an F-4 hit Germantown/Collierville and 2009 when an EF-3 hit the Hickory Ridge section of Memphis.....the populated areas in that region seemed to avoid them.
I think everyone there knows that it's a matter of time and that eventually the city and primary suburbs will not dodge the bullet. I guess that's happening lately in New Orleans.
IMO, everyone in the middle section of the country needs to be at least somewhat aware of the potential risk for tornados and take the warnings seriously. Even in populated urban areas.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:48 am to dewster
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I think everyone there knows that it's a matter of time and that eventually the city and primary suburbs will not dodge the bullet. I guess that's happening lately in New Orleans.
That's why I say that when it comes to weather hope is not a plan and you never speak in definites.
There are still people out there who fully believe a river protects them from a tornado or that they can't happen in the mountains. It is a big ol' country we live in, and the average tornado is measured in yards (50 yards wide being the average) with an average path length of 1 to 2 miles. It isn't that something can't happen, it is that it isn't likely to happen.
James Spann said it best post April 27, 2011 when everyone was scared the next event would be a repeat of that day. He said, "No, it isn't going to be April 27, 2011, but if a tornado comes down your street today it will be your April 27." That really sums it up. That and when Bill from Twister said, "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst."
Posted on 3/23/22 at 11:53 am to LegendInMyMind
Just think about how much wasnt hit by a tornado on 4/27/11 and how that was the worst case scenario tornado outbreak.
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