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Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:29 pm to High C
Absolutely agree. I am writing my thesis on this now. The large amount of baby boomer teacher retirements now will create an incapacity for public schools to maintain. Policies are now so bad, that good teachers leave for better jobs and opportunities. The majority of teachers are less educated now and are simply babysitters. A smaller percent work hard to compensate and burn out.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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more money
Depends on where you live. Sometimes the money is not worth it. frick that going into the hood schools and teaching. They send noob teachers outhere into those schools.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:31 pm to High C
I've always said there's no reason for an elementary school teacher to have a bachelors degree, maybe a shortage would help move in that direction.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:32 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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Depends on where you live. Sometimes the money is not worth it. frick that going into the hood schools and teaching. They send noob teachers outhere into those schools.
Teach for America and other programs have crippled this even worse because they have no accountability. Going to a hood school for a couple years to pay off a Masters or some terminal degree is a lot of motivation. Basically, they are getting three years pay for two years work and no stress of retainment because they have no interest in being retained.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:35 pm to High C
I think the only way to eventually fix the system is a mass exodus of teachers from the public school system. Then and only then can the system be overhauled and some common sense be applied.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:35 pm to House_of Cards
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Teach for America and other programs have crippled this even worse because they have no accountability. Going to a hood school for a couple years to pay off a Masters or some terminal degree is a lot of motivation. Basically, they are getting three years pay for two years work and no stress of retainment because they have no interest in being retained.
can't be any worse than what was teaching there before...at least these people can speak proper English...
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:36 pm to House_of Cards
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Teach for America and other programs have crippled this even worse because they have no accountability
Which is basically what Jindal was trying to turn LA into last year.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:37 pm to House_of Cards
Truth. It is a lose lose IMO. Teachers have no interest in being there and probably over half the kids in those schools don't give a shite. I just feel sorry for the few that really want to learn in those schools.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:38 pm to vl100butch
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can't be any worse than what was teaching there before...at least these people can speak proper English...
The problem is the Unions not allowing bad teachers to be fired. The same as bad students cannot be failed. If there are little incentives to go into teaching and the job is yours basically forever, then that attracts bad teachers. I believe teacher pay should be drastically elevated. However, these programs should be eliminated along with tenure laws (to an extent). There are a lot of methods to approach this with, but the current system will fail.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:40 pm to bencoleman
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I think the only way to eventually fix the system is a mass exodus of teachers from the public school system. Then and only then can the system be overhauled and some common sense be applied.
Believe me, the lack of application of common sense isn't coming from the teachers. We're begging for that very thing.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:41 pm to yellowfin
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I've always said there's no reason for an elementary school teacher to have a bachelors degree, maybe a shortage would help move in that direction.
Are you in favor of allowing teachers of higher level classes, such as AP Physics and Calculus, to be paid vastly more? While I agree with this, no way will Unions allow the "unfair" treatment of elementary teachers. Even worse are that over 95% of elementary teachers are women and this could be viewed as income inequality. Devil's advocate argument I know, but these are difficult predicaments.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:45 pm to House_of Cards
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The problem is the Unions not allowing bad teachers to be fired.
Agreed, but it's a slippery slope. That judgement can't be made in one year. Nothing can prepare a first-year teacher for what he/she will face. Developing an exact timeframe for making that judgement, as well as objective criteria are the difficult parts. For instance, we as teachers all know who the bad teachers are in our own schools. Getting rid of them is a different story.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:46 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
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Depends on where you live. Sometimes the money is not worth it. frick that going into the hood schools and teaching. They send noob teachers outhere into those schools.
I've always advocated merit pay. Will never happen though.
Merit pay
Promotion track
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:49 pm to High C
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Agreed, but it's a slippery slope. That judgement can't be made in one year. Nothing can prepare a first-year teacher for what he/she will face. Developing an exact timeframe for making that judgement, as well as objective criteria are the difficult parts. For instance, we as teachers all know who the bad teachers are in our own schools. Getting rid of them is a different story.
100% agree. There is, also, the biggest issue of how one person, normally the principal, has total control over this decision. In the case of job security, simply being buddies or budding heads together could be the different, not job performance. Accountability is such a wonderful term thrown out there, but no one can create the parameters to truly enforce these.
Next, look at what you said, one year is not enough. In some states, one year gets tenure!! What to do then? Unless they basically have sex with kids, come to school drunk or kill someone, they are still there. Everyone knows they suck, but what do you do? In NYC, the Supt. had all the bad teachers teach no one all day in a room, but they were still paid. Some more than the ones who were having to double their workloads to compensate the shittyness of others. Anyone who thinks this is how an organization should be run is insane.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:50 pm to House_of Cards
quote:This is horseshite. At least in Ga. we fire teachers every year because our admins do the paperwork trail to get rid of them. However, we don't have a strong union presence here.
The problem is the Unions not allowing bad teachers to be fired
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:53 pm to High C
There should be some kind of quota that at least half of all teachers, principals and superintendents should be males.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:54 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Like you said, that is Georgia. This is a national problem. More so in the Midwest and the North, the Unions carry much more power. Obviously, every state has their own individual differences and tenure policies.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:55 pm to High C
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:55 pm to High C
Everything is going to be a crisis if you listen to this board, people are pussies.
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