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re: Post Tension Slab

Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by rjo_lsu
Lafayette, La
Member since Jul 2005
396 posts
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:24 pm to
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Posted by daviddsims
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2008
587 posts
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by T4
Member since Mar 2014
288 posts
Posted on 3/8/15 at 12:50 pm to
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Seriously considering Subbing the job out myself


Good luck! There is a reason only a select few of us do it as a profession. A good GC has gone through the growing pains of building and has perfected their process and quality. You will think you are getting a good product but without an extensive knowledge of the field you are more than likely going to have a subpar product.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29386 posts
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:02 pm to
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I know there are many drawbacks but I feel like I have the time and project management skills to pull it off.

Famous last words.

There have been good responses in this thread, and some terrible responses in this thread. If you are seriously concerned with your foundation strength, then hire a CE firm to come perform soils tests on your lot. They can tell you if the soils conditions present any issues that would require a specialized foundation design.

Truth be told for 90% of residential homes, proper fill and compaction of the subgrade is much more important to the integrity of your foundation than post tensioning. Can't tell you how many homebuilders I see scrape the lot, throw some dirt on it, grade it out, then start digging grade beams.

But for crying out loud, if you even consider placing a post tensioned foundation and then go an place your driveway without putting some damn reinforcing in it, I'm going to laugh my arse off at you. Wire mesh is so freaking cheap, yet no one ever uses it. Had my idiot builder put it in my driveway, I probably wouldn't have to be worried about busting out and replacing the apron right now.
Posted by daviddsims
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2008
587 posts
Posted on 3/8/15 at 1:17 pm to
I am not disagreeing with anything that the professionals say. Once the plans are finalized I will talk to some builders that have a good reputation and gather some cost and a feel for them as builders. I just want to be able to incorporate some of the ideas that I have and not get a cookie cutter home that looks pretty but is not energy efficient or built sound.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31062 posts
Posted on 3/8/15 at 2:09 pm to
Sub it out. I didnt and regret it. Of course i am a Civil Eng. And have been around house building most of my life and do concrete for a living. I ended up doing most of the gc work along with all flooring, electric and painting.

Next house i will build i will do plumbing and gas also and sub everything else out.

As far as slabs go, dig to good clay, go back with a good mix and let it sit. If you are really worried, do the plumbing and electric and pour the slab then let it sit.

Another thing you can doninstead of post tensioning is drilling out and pouring shafts under the load bearing walls every so many feet.
Posted by daviddsims
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2008
587 posts
Posted on 3/8/15 at 6:45 pm to
Did you just foam the roof line or did you do outside walls as well?
Posted by TIGER2
Mandeville.La
Member since Jan 2006
10487 posts
Posted on 3/8/15 at 7:12 pm to
Wife and I built a house in 2003. We did it ourselves, no GC. Spoke with a few companies that did post tension slabs and the only thing I remember was the answer to a question I asked. I asked if this was being used for commercial slabs and he said no. We went with re-bar and wire mesh. Re-bar and wire mesh has been working for a long time, why change now. Also re-bar and wire mesh slabs use bigger footings which I think is a good thing.
Posted by rjo_lsu
Lafayette, La
Member since Jul 2005
396 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:39 am to
I'm not sure what idiot salesman you talked to but PT slabs are done ALL the time in commercial foundations. Wider and deeper footings are not as good as you think. For one it adds more weight to the foundation thus potentially creating greater settlement of the structure. Secondly, if you take your footings deeper and wider, the majority of home builders (sad but true) do not know what additional rebar reinforcement should be placed into the foundation. Just a simple fact: Post-tension cables are grade 270K strand where as rebar is grade 60K. That's 4.5x stronger than rebar!!
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42567 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:52 am to
I don't see the advantage of them in residential construction. The only time I have ever seen it done is on mulit-floor commerical buildings, but it was mainly to conserve concrete. I don't see any static building adding that much tension to a pad. Maybe in earthquake areas. You would need a lot of bending stress, or have a need to reduce concrete. For your needs, proper conditioning of your soils should reduce settlement of your house. You can hire a CMT/geotech guy (Civil firm) to test, and evaluate your site.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28174 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 10:05 am to
Everywhere.

Foam, applied correctly, is awesome. It also makes your attic suitable for storage.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37250 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 10:24 am to
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Did you just foam the roof line or did you do outside walls as well?


You want open cell foam at the roof deck. If you used closed cell and had a roof leak, you'd never know it till it was too late.

You can do closed or open cell in the exterior walls. Open is much cheaper. Not sure the added benefit of closed. Spray foam guys can tell you.

Also you have to use specific hvac equipment when the house is foamed. You're not supposed to vent the roof either.

Supposedly your attic will only be 10 degrees hotter / cooler than your conditioned home when using spray foam.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29386 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 10:32 am to
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Not sure the added benefit of closed.

Closed cell = denser= less thickness per R Value. In your walls, you only have so much room to work with. Roofline doesn't matter, plus you want open cell for the previously mentioned roof leak issue.

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Supposedly your attic will only be 10 degrees hotter / cooler than your conditioned home when using spray foam

This is 100% legit. I did a medical clinic using spray foam, big attic with a mechanical deck. It was incredible how cool it was in late August walking around up there.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 10:34 am
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
6581 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 10:39 am to
I live on the westbank in a community built on what used to be a swamp. I have a PTS slab on top of 40 foot pilings. House built in 1996. Already have a 2 foot settlement gap under parts of the slab, but my house ain't going anywhere.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 10:41 am
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28174 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 10:49 am to
I used open cell everywhere.

Correct, you can use a mechanical vent if you must, but I didn't. No combustibles (gas water heater) in attic.

One of our attics is probably only 4-5 degrees warmer than the conditioned space.

The other one, over the garages, is only 10-12 degree warmer than the conditioned space. I've checked this with a spot display thermometer.

AC equipment is obviously far more effeicent
Posted by daviddsims
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2008
587 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 6:55 pm to
I showed my plan to a insulation guy at home builders show and definitely want to go that way. With a/c being in attic that is semi-conditioned, the a/c requirements go down with a manual j completed.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28174 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 6:58 pm to
Correct.

You still can't really undersize the units, but they will be way more effiecent.

How much living on each floor?
Posted by daviddsims
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2008
587 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 7:00 pm to
2100 on the first floor and 575 on the second floor.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28174 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 7:02 pm to
Do you have an area on the first floor that is open to the scond floor (tall ceilings)?

Assuming 10' down and 9' up?
Posted by daviddsims
West Monroe
Member since Dec 2008
587 posts
Posted on 3/9/15 at 7:06 pm to
Yes it opens up to a balcony upstairs so they are not separated.
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