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re: Port Allen man kills wife on accident while cleaning gun
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:27 pm to athenslife101
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:27 pm to athenslife101
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Not making excuses at all, at all, but I think you'd be shocked about some of the poor habits that can be formed. I see people knocking their jammedtraining weapons on every surface possible to dislodge and doing that is awful for habit forming. Saw one of those guys accidentally shoot the floor once because he was jammed and hitting the gun against the door.
This is why I do not like the term "expert". When people hear expert they think someone is know all, never make mistakes. Someone who is an "expert" can easily become overconfident and make mistakes.
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Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:33 pm to KajunKouyon
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This guy just got off for anyone still curious about the incident. Grand jury didn't have enough evidence for a conviction
Is there any more to this story? Did he have money to get a good lawyer?
Wife from trashy family? Anything?
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:34 pm to Pelfan8104
I wonder who he's been pounding on the side. How can someone "accidentally" kill someone while cleaning his gun.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:38 pm to OweO
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This is why I do not like the term "expert". When people hear expert they think someone is know all, never make mistakes. Someone who is an "expert" can easily become overconfident and make mistakes.
Kind of like "pilot error", flying requires pretty extensive and re-current training, but there will still be mistakes. Over confidence is sometimes a factor, but usually it is a series of small mistakes that just like this shooting when they happen together tragedy is the result.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:40 pm to East Coast Band
He was breaking his guns down when Emiley drove up to the house. She honked the horn for him to come help her unload the car. He does that and they sit at the table together. Not sure if she was in front or on side of him. He picked his gun up, doesn't recheck to make sure it's unloaded, pulls trigger and the round hits her center of the chest. So he broke both of the most heard gun rules out there. Always assume a gun is loaded and never aim it at something you don't intend to kill. I have no idea how this guy just walks away from it honestly
ETA: This is only what I've heard of the situation very early on around when it first happened. Other details could have emerged since then
ETA: This is only what I've heard of the situation very early on around when it first happened. Other details could have emerged since then
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:46 pm to East Coast Band
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Is there any more to this story? Did he have money to get a good lawyer?
Wife from trashy family? Anything?
He was a cop
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:47 pm to KajunKouyon
That is a sad story. Ive said this before on here, but when I was young, I had next door neighbors on both sides of my house who were shot because a gun was assumed unloaded. One was killed. This is why I have never been a fan of guns. Because no matter how good someone thinks they are with a gun, human error will occur. When it comes to a gun, more times than not people are not aware of that error until its too late.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 7:49 pm to OweO
I'll never accept that excuse. It literally takes 5 seconds to unload/clear round from chamber. Less time to double check the chamber for a round.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:09 pm to lsu480
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Is there any more to this story? Did he have money to get a good lawyer?
Wife from trashy family? Anything?
He was a cop
Someone said she was cute, but obviously she was a dog
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:14 pm to KajunKouyon
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Actually for a Glock you do have to pull the trigger to be able to remove the slide. He "forgot" wether he unloaded it or not.
One of my big pet peeves about the Glock. I normally come straight from the range, strip and clean the weapons in front of the television. I've cleared all the weapons at the range and I clear them again before a cleaning like that. That's about the only time that weapons, magazines and ammo are all together at the same time (other than the ready guns).
So, having said that, when I had a Glock, because I knew I was going to have to pull that trigger, it gets cleared again, and the muzzle stays in a safe direction as long as the weapon is in a mechanical condition that can fire.
When I do cleanings between range visits, just for routine purposes, the weapon is cleared at storage and I normally do not even have magazines or ammo anywhere near the cleaning area.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:15 pm to dbeck
quote:I'll take your bet, 1000 minimum.
picking the Panthers to win the superbowl in a few days...
Pay up.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:17 pm to EA6B
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Kind of like "pilot error", flying requires pretty extensive and re-current training, but there will still be mistakes. Over confidence is sometimes a factor, but usually it is a series of small mistakes that just like this shooting when they happen together tragedy is the result.
Absolutely, with flying, driving and firearms, your fatal mistakes are typically from 2 categories of folks - the least experienced (and poorly trained/supervised, at that) and the most experienced (overconfidence).
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:18 pm to Pelfan8104
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accident when cleaning a gun?
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Does this add up?
Whenever I hear this kind of explanation I always substite "playing with" for "cleaning." "Cleaning" doesn't mesh with "gun fired" in my world. And, you know, Hanlon's razor and all that.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:19 pm to Pelfan8104
Was it Mayor Dee Dee who be witchunt?
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:20 pm to Pelfan8104
There's no such thing as an accidental discharge. It's one of the weapon's safety rules:
1) Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2) Never point the weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
3) Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire
4) Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
I'm sure he didn't mean or even want to shoot his wife, but it's on him. Not calling him a murderer. Tragic story for all involved
1) Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2) Never point the weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
3) Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire
4) Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
I'm sure he didn't mean or even want to shoot his wife, but it's on him. Not calling him a murderer. Tragic story for all involved
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:22 pm to KajunKouyon
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I'll never accept that excuse. It literally takes 5 seconds to unload/clear round from chamber. Less time to double check the chamber for a round.
Human error isn't an excuse. Its like trying to prevent all vehicle accidents from happening. Everyone knows that drinking, texting, talking on phone, making assumptions, etc are all causes of vehicle accidents, but you can push it down people's throat all you want, people will still do it. I consider that human error.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:31 pm to East Coast Band
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think a fair argument can be made everyone who is responsible for the death of another person should be charged with some type of homicide.
I think a fair argument can be made that people shouldn't be locked in a cage and punished for an accident. You punish criminal intent and criminal acts, prison for negligence doesn't seem right to me. And yes I know there's a statute called negligent homicide.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:32 pm to Pelfan8104
How many people have been accidentally killed while cleaning knives though? I bet it's lots.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:34 pm to KajunKouyon
quote:It's pretty evident his mistake cost someone their life. Fricking stupid! Mistakenly kill a bear thinking its a hog or kill more than one turkey with one shot and see if you get off scot free.
This guy just got off for anyone still curious about the incident. Grand jury didn't have enough evidence for a conviction
Posted on 5/11/16 at 8:36 pm to 007mag
I had to come in here just to see why a thread from February got bumped.
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