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re: Police go to wrong address, kill homeowner in the middle of the night
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:00 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:00 am to Darth_Vader
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The sad part of this story is it doesn't surprise me in the least.
In my case, it was a combination of lazy arrogance on the LEO's part. All it would have taken was a brief walk to my place to assess the situation, and not only would it have exonerated me, but he then could have taken that information and gone to the person who had made the claim and found out what REALLY was going on.
But, you know...that would have made him do more, and since I was guilty by virtue of being accused, frick taking my suggestion.
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:03 am to GeauxTigerTM
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In my case, it was a combination of lazy arrogance on the LEO's part. All it would have taken was a brief walk to my place to assess the situation, and not only would it have exonerated me, but he then could have taken that information and gone to the person who had made the claim and found out what REALLY was going on.
But, you know...that would have made him do more, and since I was guilty by virtue of being accused, frick taking my suggestion.
Bingo. He was not interested in doing actual police work, namely investigate and gather evidence on the claim and actually getting to the truth of the matter. He had his mind made up and was not about to let pesky things like evidence and common sense get in the way. shite like what you went through happens all the time.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:10 am to NYNolaguy1
Somebody finna get paid
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:12 am to Darth_Vader
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Bingo. He was not interested in doing actual police work, namely investigate and gather evidence on the claim and actually getting to the truth of the matter. He had his mind made up and was not about to let pesky things like evidence and common sense get in the way. shite like what you went through happens all the time.
Which is a real problem for those who assume the only people who have run-ins with bad LEO's are trouble makers. I was actually really surprised by that interaction. I knew I had done nothing wrong, I knew I could certainly prove that, I was polite and non-confrontational the whole time despite being treated like a criminal, and I actually expected that behavior on my part would resonate with a guy paid to uphold the law.
I'm not saying that interaction made me dislike LEO's in total...just that rather than being pro police in most cases as I'd blindly been before, I suddenly realized that at best it was a case by case basis and was solely determined by the professionalism of the individual LEO. I became a skeptic when it came to the police.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:28 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Maybe...just maybe the police could double check their information BEFORE doing stuff like this.
Ok, that is fine but realize response times are gonna triple if not increase even more than that.
When someone comes to your house and attacks you 911 and police will double check all records and do a full investigation on the address before responding to your call for help.
You and your family will be fuked but your neighbor should be fine.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:42 am to theenemy
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When someone comes to your house and attacks you 911 and police will double check all records and do a full investigation on the address before responding to your call for help.
You and your family will be fuked but your neighbor should be fine.
Or they might kill your neighbor because you called 911. Sounds like either way we are screwed. I guess it really is too much to ask that they figure out who called before guns start popping off.
In that case, I would want to protect as many innocent lives as possible, and take the time to figure out what's going on, even if it extends response time. Quicker response time should not cost more innocent bodies.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:48 am to NYNolaguy1
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If nothing else it helps the caller know that they are there, and hopefully identify where the incident took place. Of course the other option is sneaking around looking through random citizens windows with flashlights like a thief in the night. How did that strategy work out?
If LEO's did what you suggested then we would never catch the bad guy.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:50 am to NYNolaguy1
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Or they might kill your neighbor because you called 911. Sounds like either way we are screwed. I guess it really is too much to ask that they figure out who called before guns start popping off. In that case, I would want to protect as many innocent lives as possible, and take the time to figure out what's going on, even if it extends response time. Quicker response time should not cost more innocent bodies.
It is a double edged sword. If you respond to slow then innocent people get killed like Columbine or Orlando and if you respond to fast without proper information like in this case a innocent man gets killed.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:05 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
I'm thinking we have 911 just tell the victim to ask their attacker to just come turn himself in.
Heck we could save money and just make it a recorded message.
Heck we could save money and just make it a recorded message.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
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it was a combination of lazy arrogance on the LEO's part.
I would vote LAZY in this case
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:38 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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If LEO's did what you suggested then we would never catch the bad guy.
And not kill an innocent homeowner? Sounds good to me.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:40 am to NYNolaguy1
They rarely ever catch the bad guy anyway.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:43 am to NYNolaguy1
Should have put down his handgun when they told him to. Play stupid games...
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:47 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Retail outlets are screwed. You can't touch a person or you'll get sued by ambulance chasers, and calling the cops doesn't do a lot of good.
Good thing homeowners can still shoot intruders. That includes cops going into the wrong home. Things never change unless there are consequences to your actions.
Good thing homeowners can still shoot intruders. That includes cops going into the wrong home. Things never change unless there are consequences to your actions.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:39 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Should have put down his handgun when they told him to. Play stupid games...
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The Dude's Rug
Not surprised.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:43 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Should have put down his handgun when they told him to. Play stupid games...
Yes, I'm sure this 63 year old man right here....
...decided "frick the pigs" and he was going to shoot it out with the cops and thus got wheat he deserved.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:44 pm to Darth_Vader
wtf
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:45 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Should have put down his handgun when they told him to. Play stupid games...
I kind of hope this was an attempt at sarcasm.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:50 pm to maxxrajun70
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wtf
He said the guy should have put down his gun when the cops told him to do so. Only an idiot would believe the cops told this guy to drop his gun and he just ignored them.
Think about it. Why would he not follow the cops instructions? Give me one good reason he'd see the cops and knowing they were cops would then refuse to drop his weapon? Does that sound like something a reasonable 63 yr old homeowner would do? No. No it doesn't. Unless this guy had a death wish, he's not going to knowingly ignore police instructions in this instance.
But he was still shot anyway. That leaves one question. Why was he shot? There is only one possibility, namely that the cops saw this man with a gun and shot him dead before they either identified themselves or instructed him to drop his weapon. The whole story of him "ignoring police instructions" is a lie they've told to cover their asses.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:55 pm to Darth_Vader
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I'm going to go ahead and point out the fact there is about a 100% chance this claim is total bullshite. This is their usual lie to cover their arse just like they always claim to "smell marijuana" anytime they want to search a vehicle.
And rest assured that if the homeowner had fired at cops intruding on his property without notice, he'd nonetheless be facing a murder charge if he survived at all.
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