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re: Placing blame on inanimate objects versus getting to the root of the problem
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:48 am to LCA131
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:48 am to LCA131
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Neither the gun nor the magazine are dangerous w/o a deranged person operating them
Neither are pipe bombs, or nuclear bombs, or plastic explosives, or etc etc...see the fallacy of that argument? There are plenty of things that are designed to kill that are illegal. You're making a strawman argument. Unless you're arguing that all weapons of any strength and impact should be legal.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:49 am
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:50 am to TH03
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it's lazy and disingenuous to say it's movies and video games.
I think, and have said numerous times, that our society is broken and getting worse. I think they are a contributor but never said they were THE cause.
No wonder she threw you out, you don't listen worth a shite.
Eta.. added a comma
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:51 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:52 am to LCA131
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My two questions were fairly straightforward... you answered neither.
Yes, the magazine being present does change perception but that is my argument, basing fear and "deadliness" off of preconceived opinions/hearsay and not facts
and the modification part, I am unsure about how to go about modifying either of those rifles to convert them to fully auto.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:52 am to Chucktown_Badger
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So what were you saying? Making all drugs legal won't improve the crisis and the number of people dying (currently about 115 a day), but it will...do what in your opinion?
I didn't make a point at all. Just saying that I don't think the opiod crisis is related to the legality of other drugs. The legality of weed or coke doesn't affect a doctor prescribing an opiod for someone's minute pain.
I mean, maybe legal weed can be an alternative for some people, but that's a hypothetical I have no way of testing or proving.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:54 am to Mike da Tigah
The reason "they" want to take away guns isn't because of making streets safer or avoiding shootings.
It's because many of these low-life, scumbag liberals WANT criminals to have the upper hand.
If they really cared about stopping crime they'd enforce laws in effect instead of trying to be PC and not holding anyone responsible.
But that's just my opinion.
It's because many of these low-life, scumbag liberals WANT criminals to have the upper hand.
If they really cared about stopping crime they'd enforce laws in effect instead of trying to be PC and not holding anyone responsible.
But that's just my opinion.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:54 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Chitown_Badger
Please quote the correct poster.
I didn't say those things and it makes it only more confusing by mis-attribution.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:56 am to Tempratt
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It's because many of these low-life, scumbag liberals WANT criminals to have the upper hand.
If they really cared about stopping crime they'd enforce laws in effect instead of trying to be PC and holding anyone responsible.
Yep. I hear they want to put law abiding citizens in jail and let all convicted felons run free.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:57 am to LCA131
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I think they are a contributor
And I don't think they are. We would see a massive uptick since games are more realistic and selling more than ever before, but we are seeing the opposite.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:57 am to TH03
A modern day Gothem
Oh to be a fly on the wall in one of those super secret meetings
Oh to be a fly on the wall in one of those super secret meetings
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:58 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:59 am to mylsuhat
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yes, the magazine being present does change perception but that is my argument, basing fear and "deadliness" off of preconceived opinions/hearsay and not facts
Thank you, and I understand that point.
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and the modification part, I am unsure about how to go about modifying either of those rifles to convert them to fully auto.
I know nothing about it either but to venture a guess, I would say the top photo could not be converted or if it could, would be more difficult to do so.
"For all intents and purposes" they are not the same. They may fire the same rounds. One scares me... Ha.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:00 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:00 am to LCA131
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I'm just trying to say, let's use the term for the type of rifle about which we all are speaking.
I'm saying don't use that term because it implies a grotesques to it that is not inherently in he weapon system. You are trying to say that the gun is used for "assaults" by calling it an assault rifle. That is like calling my truck a melee truck, or a massacre mobile. It adds a sense of danger to an inanimate object that wouldn't be there had you said otherwise. It is an adjective. Had you said "rifle" and not "assault rifle" I wouldn't have an issue with it.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:03 am to LCA131
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I know nothing about it either but to venture a guess, I would say the top photo could not be converted or if it could, would be more difficult to do so.
"For all intents and purposes" they are not the same. They may fire the same rounds. One scares me... Ha.
I think there is a misconception that it is simple to convert an AR-15 to a fully automatic weapon.
There are people that have the knowledge on how to do that to any semi-auto but it's not a simple task.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:04 am to TH03
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we are seeing the opposite.
Is that your impression? So the news cycle only makes it seem far worse?
I think the goalposts on both sides of the argument are moving roadrunner fast with this.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:06 am to mylsuhat
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I think there is a misconception that it is simple to convert an AR-15 to a fully automatic weapon.
There are people that have the knowledge on how to do that to any semi-auto but it's not a simple task.
It is also illegal, let's not forget that little part of it
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:11 am to Mike da Tigah
"Fund mental health facilities."
Absolutely correct.
But which political party is the king of unfunded mandates? "It's a mental health issue." Yet passes tax cuts that decrease the amount of money available to PAY for "mental health" (you know, doctors. Nurses. Counselors. Facilities. Beds. Etc. These things don't grow on trees, don't come free of charge.)
fricking A right I'm going to "politicize" this.
Absolutely correct.
But which political party is the king of unfunded mandates? "It's a mental health issue." Yet passes tax cuts that decrease the amount of money available to PAY for "mental health" (you know, doctors. Nurses. Counselors. Facilities. Beds. Etc. These things don't grow on trees, don't come free of charge.)
fricking A right I'm going to "politicize" this.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:12 am to TH03
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I didn't make a point at all. Just saying that I don't think the opiod crisis is related to the legality of other drugs. The legality of weed or coke doesn't affect a doctor prescribing an opiod for someone's minute pain.
Your point was that all drugs should be legal and regulated (your words). My response was that that is a horrible idea. And yes, overprescribing opioids is a problem, but again (and as I've said already) there is not "THE solution" or "THE cause" to some of the issues we're facing. They need to be approached from many different angles.
And I may be mistaken, but are the reforms being talked about to simply ban certain types of guns? I haven't heard or seen where all guns being banned is being considered.
And yes, I understand that some people's manhood is attached to being able to own a rifle with a 30-40 round clip, but at some point, those people will probably need to reinforce their manhood with a second set of truck nuts or something. Because it's getting a little ridiculous. (And I say this as someone who was just told by his dad that he keeps a loaded AK-47 under his bed...despite my brother bringing his 4 year old daughter and 2 year old son over all the time.)
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:19 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:24 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Your point was that all drugs should be legal and regulated (your words)
When did I say this?
I think you're mistaking me for someone else who said that...
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:25 am to TH03
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Conservatives want strict constitutionalists on the supreme Court, but not when it comes to the 2nd amendment.
If you research the Miller, Heller, McDonald, Caetano SCOTUS decisions you'd see that the 2nd Amendment has been interpreted in a strictly constitutional way. Not their fault that so many people on the Left (and so-called pro-gun Fudds) have such a poor understanding of the history on the topic and are even worse when it comes to understanding the current legal landscape.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:32 am to TH03
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They have zero effect.
Not a zero effect. Go read up on the post-Sandy Hook shooting report. Lanza was doing tactical reloads, dropping 30-rd magazines after firing less than 10 rounds out of them at times. That was purely inspired by the types of video games he was known to play. Video games and mass media don't cause these types of incidents (and I remember the game DOOM being blamed for Columbine in part) but they do play a small part in the execution at times.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:38 am to Clames
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Lanza was doing tactical reloads, dropping 30-rd magazines after firing less than 10 rounds out of them at times. That was purely inspired by the types of video games he was known to play. Video games and mass media don't cause these types of incidents (and I remember the game DOOM being blamed for Columbine in part) but they do play a small part in the execution at times.
Lol what? His incompetence with weapons means he was doing what he saw in video games?
Let's even say he was influenced by reloading mechanics in video games. Meaning he drops a 30 round mag with 20 left thinking it's like video games where those 20 still stay in your total ammo. Wouldn't that be more a case of EXTREME mental delusion rather than a violent video game influencing him?
Also, that wouldn't be indicative of him being inspired by the violence in the video game...
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