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Posted on 5/13/21 at 6:42 am to Klondikekajun
In the 80s/90s, i worked in fuel distribution and storage for the military. There was little automation and no computers involved, it was all done manually. Say if we wanted fuel at Loring AFB, someone would open a valve in Bar Harbor, ME, flip on a pump, another person would open at valve at the AFB and receive the fuel. It worked very well.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 6:46 am to roadkill
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It's not an O&G problem - it's an IT problem - the industrial controls are automated (software) and the security of the software was compromised allowing hackers to access some undefined (so far) level of control of the pipeline. Forensics will determine the source and ultimate threat seriousness - whether that becomes public info is TBD.
But he’s asking why does a pipeline need software. He’s wondering why can’t you just put gasoline in the pipe and turn the pump on.
It’s just a tiny bit more complex than that
Posted on 5/13/21 at 6:48 am to Hawgeye
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believe the gas issues is simply people overreacting and causing their own demise.
100%
Posted on 5/13/21 at 6:52 am to Oilfieldbiology
Just reading through this thread, I want to say it never ceases to amaze me how intelligent people on this board can be when it comes to subject matter they deal with.
And then how idiotic we can be in others. Never change!
And then how idiotic we can be in others. Never change!
Posted on 5/13/21 at 7:45 am to Klondikekajun
Another Pipelines for Dummies question:
Regarding brand name gas (Exxon, Chevron etc with proprietary additives), are they transported through a major distribution pipeline such as Colonial? If so, how are they kept separate from generic no-name gas? Same question for the different octane levels, do they all flow through the same pipes?
Regarding brand name gas (Exxon, Chevron etc with proprietary additives), are they transported through a major distribution pipeline such as Colonial? If so, how are they kept separate from generic no-name gas? Same question for the different octane levels, do they all flow through the same pipes?
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:55 am to lachellie
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:54 pm to lachellie
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Regarding brand name gas (Exxon, Chevron etc with proprietary additives), are they transported through a major distribution pipeline such as Colonial?
Yep.
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If so, how are they kept separate from generic no-name gas?
They aren’t kept separate.
For most of the country, seeing a “Chevron” or “Shell” sign at a gas station does not mean that the gas being sold came from a Chevron or Shell refinery. The refineries mostly produce blendstock, not finished gasoline. That blendstock goes to a barge, pipeline, etc. and is carried to a blending facility/terminal near the end user. At this point it’s a generic commodity - not a finished, branded product.
Once at the terminal, the blendstock is further - erm - blended with ethanol, additives, and potentially other blendstocks to produce finished gasoline. This is where the gasoline becomes “branded” based on the particular Shell/Exxon/BP/etc. additive packages.
The exception is at fuel stations that are particularly close to refineries. If you buy gasoline at an Exxon station in Baton Rouge, there’s a decent chance it was blended at Exxon’s terminal. But even then it’s not a guarantee and depends (partly) on what agreements that specific refinery has in place with third party blenders/distributors.
Basically you can think about the large integrated oil companies as having three distinct businesses, which don’t necessarily interact much: upstream (oil & gas production), downstream (refining), and retail (finished gasoline, additives, and licensing). The same can be said for any other business units - for example, the raw components of Castrol lubricants don’t necessarily come from a BP refinery even though Castrol is part of BP.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 12:57 pm to roadkill
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It's not an O&G problem - it's an IT problem
That and then just because you're an O&G baw doesn't mean you know anything about pipelines, much less a major one. Downstream, midstream and upstream all different beasts
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