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Posted on 11/20/25 at 10:38 am to
Posted by BRich
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 10:38 am to


Actually zoomed in and read this in its entirety.

I find it very interesting that the age cohort being described in this article as "the beat generation" is essentially the same as the one dubbed (many years later) as "the greatest generation":

"the generation which went through the last war, or at least could get a drink once it was over"..

"brought up during the collective bad circumstance of a dreary depression, weaned during the collective uprooting of a global war "

"they grew to independent minds on beachheads, in ginmills and U.S.O.'s, in past-midnight arrivals and pre-dawn departures"

"The same face, with a more serious bent, stared from the pages of Life magazine, representing a graduating class of ex-G.I.'s"


Note that Kerouac himself served (briefly) in WWII in the merchant marine, and his stand-in character from On the Road (Sal Paradise) was described as going to school on the GI Bill.

Yet, when we think of the "Beat Generation" most of us think of beatniks, sitting around in coffeehouses and bars reciting beat poetry, wearing black and playing bongos, listening to modern jazz, etc.

When we think of the "Greatest Generation" we picture kids going hungry in the Depression, then serving as young adults (either overseas in the military or on the homefront) in WWII, then almost immediately starting families ( the baby boom) and becoming dads and moms in the new suburbias during the 1950s.

Two very different images of what is essentially the same generation. I guess the key is that the whole beatnik side was more of a subculture, which I don't think that John Clellon Holmes made clear (or foresaw) in this 1952 piece. Maybe he thought MORE of that generation/age cohort would be more "beat" or "beatnik" as the decade wore on.

But more likely, it is that urbanized, city-focused east- and west-coast focus and bias. None of his anecdotes are from middle America or suburbia. It's all California, Los Angeles, the Bronx, Illinois (no doubt Chicago), bar on Third Avenue.

Same as it ever was...



Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:07 pm to
Great post
Posted by kclsufan
Show Me
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:18 pm to
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Posted by reggierayreb
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

WWII: US forces land on Tarawa & Makin Atoll in the Gilbert Islands on November 20th 1943


Japanese high command said it would take 100 years and a million US soldiers to take Tarawa. They were dead wrong. US Military leadership learned a great deal about how to effectively launch an amphibious assault on fortified enemy positions over the course of those 3 days in November 1943. By the time our LVTs hit the beaches of Iwo Jima they had been completely modified from the equipment used at Tarawa. My wife's great grandfather was an officer in the Marine Corp's 2nd Division that took the island alongside the US Navy. He retired a Brigadier General. Her grandmother actually graduated high school in Oahu a year and a half before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Let's all try to take a minute out of our day to honor the lives of all those American boys who waded waste deep through saltwater straight into oncoming enemy gunfire.













This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 5:08 pm
Posted by TigerZeke62
South Louisiana
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 2:23 pm to



I wonder what's on page 35
This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 2:27 pm
Posted by TigerZeke62
South Louisiana
Member since Jan 2016
295 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 2:36 pm to
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 2:37 pm to
what kind of "shows" did they have at "The Dog House"?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 3:09 pm to
1stLt William Deane Hawkins won the big one (posthumously) on Tarawa. Had a few drinks in the bar named after him at The Basic School, Quantico, VA. Semper Fi.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
25997 posts
Posted on 11/20/25 at 4:33 pm to
Tarawa - I worked with an old guy that was in a 2nd wave and he said the water was rust red 100 ft out from the shore.
This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 4:38 pm
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