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re: Phosphorus (P) is the reason why aliens don't exist
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:05 am to Street Hawk
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:05 am to Street Hawk
There is gold all over this planet we cannot detect when looking as hard as possible so why would anyone be surprised we cannot detect phosphorus on a planet a billion light years away?
"We know little if anything about our world.. and to think otherwise is folly"
Crowfuciuos
"We know little if anything about our world.. and to think otherwise is folly"
Crowfuciuos
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Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:19 am to momentoftruth87
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Wouldn't it be naive to suggest phosphorus doesn't exist when we have limited hands on space experience of everything?
But these space scientists do this (make broad sweeping conclusions based on limited data) literally every day and most people seem to blindly believe it.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:21 am to Crow Pie
Cause it is out in the open in the ocean.
This post was edited on 4/6/18 at 8:47 am
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:44 am to Street Hawk
The universe is essentially infinite - at least for our limited purposes.
With that, there are only 2 possibilities:
1. We are alone as the sole sentient species in all this vastness.
2. We are not alone.
Either answer is terrifying (and wonderful) in its own way.
Having said that, the odds are far, far greater that in this effectively infinite universe, there are numerous other sentient life forms than there are none. None is almost statistically impossible.
With that, there are only 2 possibilities:
1. We are alone as the sole sentient species in all this vastness.
2. We are not alone.
Either answer is terrifying (and wonderful) in its own way.
Having said that, the odds are far, far greater that in this effectively infinite universe, there are numerous other sentient life forms than there are none. None is almost statistically impossible.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 7:54 am to Street Hawk
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but the amounts seen so far don’t match our computer models.
Perhaps your computer models are wrong.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 8:41 am to Street Hawk
The chances are so unbelievably remote.
- The planet has to be the right size. Gravity must be within a very small window of strength.
- It must be the right distance from its sun.
- The sun must be the correct size and give off the correct amount of heat & radiation
- The planet must be within the very small range of temperature to sustain life.
- The planet must be within the even smaller range of temperature to have liquid water.
- The planet must have a magnetosphere of similar strength as Earth to repel harmful radiation from the sun.
- The planet must have the correct orbit and rotation in order to keep the planet temperature at a point to sustain life.
- Not only does the planet have to exist in its sun's habitable zone, but both must also be located in the habitable zone for the galaxy.
- The planet must have a massive planet in its solar system to attract and divert large objects like comets and asteroids.
- The planet must have an active mantle in order to reduce greenhouse gasses.
- The chemical makeup must be perfect in order to sustain life.
- The climate must be perfect in order to sustain life.
Then you move on to the cosmic soup of impossibility that had to happen to create life.
Even as large as the universe is, this is pretty much impossible.
- The planet has to be the right size. Gravity must be within a very small window of strength.
- It must be the right distance from its sun.
- The sun must be the correct size and give off the correct amount of heat & radiation
- The planet must be within the very small range of temperature to sustain life.
- The planet must be within the even smaller range of temperature to have liquid water.
- The planet must have a magnetosphere of similar strength as Earth to repel harmful radiation from the sun.
- The planet must have the correct orbit and rotation in order to keep the planet temperature at a point to sustain life.
- Not only does the planet have to exist in its sun's habitable zone, but both must also be located in the habitable zone for the galaxy.
- The planet must have a massive planet in its solar system to attract and divert large objects like comets and asteroids.
- The planet must have an active mantle in order to reduce greenhouse gasses.
- The chemical makeup must be perfect in order to sustain life.
- The climate must be perfect in order to sustain life.
Then you move on to the cosmic soup of impossibility that had to happen to create life.
Even as large as the universe is, this is pretty much impossible.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 8:58 am to Street Hawk
The numbers of planets with P is 2 less than infinity.
Billions.
Billions.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 9:03 am to Street Hawk
Disappointed this isn't here yet
Posted on 4/6/18 at 9:06 am to momentoftruth87
Also kind of naive to assume that life elsewhere must be formed the exact same way as here.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 9:09 am to Street Hawk
Stated reasoning breaks down easily...
What if other "life" doesn't require Phosphorus?
Isn't this the quandary?? That we can't even understand how much we don't know...
What if other "life" doesn't require Phosphorus?
Isn't this the quandary?? That we can't even understand how much we don't know...
Posted on 4/6/18 at 9:23 am to Street Hawk
I mean we don't even know everything about our own damn planet, yet we can safely assume that phosphorus is hard to come by in the rest of the universe? That's bold
Posted on 4/6/18 at 9:24 am to Street Hawk
Everything is created In supernovae
You were created from a supernova
You were created from a supernova
This post was edited on 4/6/18 at 9:24 am
Posted on 4/6/18 at 9:27 am to Skeezer
So when we dropped Willie Pete on the Viet Congress we were just giving them the essentials for life? Ungrateful bastards.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 10:24 am to Street Hawk
Of course this makes the assumption that alien life would require phosphorus and did not evolve from some other evolutionary pathway.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 10:28 am to Landmass
quote:
The chances are so unbelievably remote.
- The planet has to be the right size. Gravity must be within a very small window of strength.
- It must be the right distance from its sun.
- The sun must be the correct size and give off the correct amount of heat & radiation
- The planet must be within the very small range of temperature to sustain life.
- The planet must be within the even smaller range of temperature to have liquid water.
- The planet must have a magnetosphere of similar strength as Earth to repel harmful radiation from the sun.
- The planet must have the correct orbit and rotation in order to keep the planet temperature at a point to sustain life.
- Not only does the planet have to exist in its sun's habitable zone, but both must also be located in the habitable zone for the galaxy.
- The planet must have a massive planet in its solar system to attract and divert large objects like comets and asteroids.
- The planet must have an active mantle in order to reduce greenhouse gasses.
- The chemical makeup must be perfect in order to sustain life.
- The climate must be perfect in order to sustain life.
Then you move on to the cosmic soup of impossibility that had to happen to create life.
Even as large as the universe is, this is pretty much impossibl
Some of that is true, some of it is just assumption based on how life on Earth evolved.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 10:47 am to Jim Rockford
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That assumes other life forms are based on the same biology as ours.
This is the first thing that always pops into my head. There are extremophiles here on Earth that we do not understand how they survive, biologically. It is the height of human arrogance and egotism to assume that life cannot exist on another planet without things that humans require.
Posted on 4/6/18 at 10:49 am to Michael T. Tiger
quote:Yeah that is totally what I"m doing.
Wait...Are you actually arguing that there is a conspiracy here of religion-brainwashed scientists?...What?
Posted on 4/6/18 at 3:14 pm to Landmass
There are theories I've heard/seen that say the universe is so vast that at some point matter runs out of combinations and starts repeating itself. Meaning that not only does everything you posted happen repeatedly, it happens in numbers we can't count. It's also supposedly possible that at some insane distance at some insane point in the past, present, or future, matter comes together in the exact same combination that forms Earth, the Sun, us...
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