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re: Philando Castile shooting dashcam video released - NSFW
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:49 pm to OweO
Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:49 pm to OweO
havent even watched the video, but the thing about people who shoot cops is that, if they're clever, they try to disguise the fact that they shot cops until the moment is right.
That's a cop's mindset, anyway. The moment things don't seem normal anymore could be the moment danger arises.
That's a cop's mindset, anyway. The moment things don't seem normal anymore could be the moment danger arises.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 5:55 pm to OweO
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It seems like he was thinking he was doing the right thing by telling the cops he had an illegal firearm on him, but was the guy trying to get something in the glove compartment? The girl handed him just his license and the guy was getting insurance card?
Just assuming....I'm guessing he was gonna show him his CCP.
The officer thought he was reaching for the gun.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:07 pm to LucasP
I apologize for taking the video at face value. I have explained twice, was corrected, then called an idiot and an a-hole. Is Sonic next?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:09 pm to jbgleason
What a surprise, media only tells half the story. An innocent officer's life has probably been ruined even without being found guilty because of the play the media made against him
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:10 pm to Hangit
Sonic is too good for an idiot a-hole like you. But until we find a better place to fight, it will have to do. Twenty minutes?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:18 pm to LucasP
We are about 1000 miles apart. Better give me 25. Am I looking for a cartoon character in an El Camino?
ETA changed to 1000
ETA changed to 1000
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:22 pm to jbgleason
Man that is a tough fricking video.
On the one hand, I seriously doubt anyone would nicely tell a cop he had a firearm during a routine traffic stop for a break light with his kid and girlfriend in the car but then try to quick draw and shoot the cop.
On the other hand, he's a cop, and if you're a cop and someone is reaching for a gun after telling him to stop three times what are you supposed to do?
I don't think from that video you can say the cop was not justified. He's doing what he's trained to do. But it was an avoidable situation on both sides. You have a gun in your car? You don't move your fricking hands.
You're a cop and a guy says he has a gun? Ask him to step out the car for safety. Or at least say "don't reach for it" with more urgency in his voice. They were having a conversation, he said he had a gun, and the cop seemed to just say don't reach for it in a nonchalant voice.
On the one hand, I seriously doubt anyone would nicely tell a cop he had a firearm during a routine traffic stop for a break light with his kid and girlfriend in the car but then try to quick draw and shoot the cop.
On the other hand, he's a cop, and if you're a cop and someone is reaching for a gun after telling him to stop three times what are you supposed to do?
I don't think from that video you can say the cop was not justified. He's doing what he's trained to do. But it was an avoidable situation on both sides. You have a gun in your car? You don't move your fricking hands.
You're a cop and a guy says he has a gun? Ask him to step out the car for safety. Or at least say "don't reach for it" with more urgency in his voice. They were having a conversation, he said he had a gun, and the cop seemed to just say don't reach for it in a nonchalant voice.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:27 pm to Breesus
Maybe it's been covered already in this thread, but I read somewhere the cop thought Castile might be an armed robbery suspect.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:28 pm to Breesus
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On the other hand, he's a cop, and if you're a cop and someone is reaching for a gun after telling him to stop three times what are you supposed to do?
wait to see if he starts shooting according to some
police officer was clearly in fear for his life, and reacted as any law abiding citizen has the right to do, especially a law officer. Tragic situation. Avoidable? yeah maybe, but the officer didnt wanna wait and see so he acted
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:33 pm to jbgleason
Why do cops still meet the citizens to their car? Make them get out and control the situation in front of the cruiser.
I have only been stopped 4 times in my 22 years of driving and every time I was made to get out my vehicle and meet the cop in front of his car.
I have only been stopped 4 times in my 22 years of driving and every time I was made to get out my vehicle and meet the cop in front of his car.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:33 pm to tankyank13
I dunno man, maybe this cop woke up that morning and decided to murder himself a black guy. Bc that makes sense.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:35 pm to biglego
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but I read somewhere the cop thought Castile might be an armed robbery suspect.
That's why he was stopped, not b/c of any tail light situation
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Yanez says on the radio that he's going to stop a car to check IDs because two occupants look like armed robbery suspects. He says, "Driver looks more like one of our suspects just cause of the wide set nose. .. I couldn't get a look at the other passenger, and I'll wait for you."
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:35 pm to jbgleason
This video isn't the smoking gun, excuse the pun, for proving the cop is without blame. Clearly, he was distraught and did not intentionally murder the guy, but the video doesn't prove that he didn't overreact. It seemed like Castile was being cooperative and made a stupid move by putting his hand on the gun. I don't think Castile was trying to harm the cop, but trying to show him where the firearm was located. Maybe that wasn't the best decision, but I still think this could have been prevented. I think it was a terrible misunderstanding that led to the death of one man, the burden another will have to carry for the rest of his life, and the horrific death a child had to witness. Given the limited evidence, the jury made the right decision, but there are no winners here.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:36 pm to OldManRiver
The sad reality is that the cop shot b/c he pulled over a guy who in his mind was an armed robber, and once he heard the guy confess he had a gun he freaked out. He even admitted he didn't see anything before he fired
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Yanez can be heard talking with a female supervising officer in which he gives a brief explanation of the events. Yanez says he told Castile not to reach for the gun and that Castile's "grip [was] a lot wider than a wallet." Yanez continues, saying "I don't know where the gun was. He didn't tell me where the [expletive deleted] gun was."
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:46 pm to rantfan
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Why do cops still meet the citizens to their car? Make them get out and control the situation in front of the cruiser.
Some agencies have policy against that and requires the officer to go to the window.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:50 pm to jbgleason
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So this video shows what happened BEFORE the girlfriend starts the FaceBook Live video
The lone juror who gave an interview said as much. He said the Facebook live feed had no influence over what the dashcam video showed.
This being released, what LEO out there would now be against full audio video of every encounter?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:58 pm to adavis
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This video isn't the smoking gun, excuse the pun, for proving the cop is without blame. Clearly, he was distraught and did not intentionally murder the guy, but the video doesn't prove that he didn't overreact. It seemed like Castile was being cooperative and made a stupid move by putting his hand on the gun. I don't think Castile was trying to harm the cop, but trying to show him where the firearm was located. Maybe that wasn't the best decision, but I still think this could have been prevented. I think it was a terrible misunderstanding that led to the death of one man, the burden another will have to carry for the rest of his life, and the horrific death a child had to witness. Given the limited evidence, the jury made the right decision, but there are no winners here.
This is actually a good summary
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:00 pm to lsuwontonwrap
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6 shots though?
What number of shots would you have preferred him use?
MILS 1010 Pistol and Rifle Marksmanship teaches the two primary rules of gun safety:
1) always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction
2) when firing at a threat, shoot until it is no longer a threat.
I'm not suggesting that what happened was right, wrong, or even somewhere in between. I'm quite often confused as to why the number of shots fired is questioned. The purpose of firing the weapon is and should be to eliminate the threat. For instance, if the guy was reaching for a gun, was shot once and remained conscious with his hand on the gun, at what point are you ok with a second shot being fired?
Not necessarily directed at you, but a general statement: I think television/movies have glorified the concept of "shoot to injure/incapacitate" or "set phasers to stun," when in reality, what is taught is essentially only to fire if you intend to kill the target, be it a person, dog, bear, etc. And due to that concept being what is taught, I again struggle with the, "how many times is a shot being fired excessive?" when simply counting the shots in a case like this.
I will point out that it's very obvious that it is excessive to shoot a non-transferable that is lying incapacitated on the ground, and that is not what I intend by asking this.
And I really do intent this as a discussion point. Any insight from anyone would be appreciated.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:00 pm to SamuelClemens
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This being released, what LEO out there would now be against full audio video of every encounter?
The only fear is that if there is a technical failure with the equipment that there will be an immediate witch hunt against them as the public expects everything to be recorded and is skeptical of anything that isn't.
That is the only thing that they fear is over reliance on video/audio.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:06 pm to jbgleason
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The officer warns the guy several times not to touch or draw the gun but he apparently does so anyway.
where do you see that in the video? Like the dude, with a woman and child in the car, cops on both sides of him, is going to reach for his gun after voluntarily telling the cop that he has a gun without being asked?
you people kill me. somehow, white dudes walk around Walmarks w AR-15s strapped to their backs and they never get shot. why aren't you screaming about Castile's 2A rights?
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