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re: Philando Castile shooting dashcam video released - NSFW
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:46 pm to slackster
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:46 pm to slackster
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Might be the first time someone has ever "respectfully disagreed" with me on the internet.
Haha, no reason to get in a heated debate. We're all entitled to our opinions and viewpoints. I may not agree - and I don't - but I certainly can respect that position.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:55 pm to Breesus
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Man that is a tough fricking video.
On the one hand, I seriously doubt anyone would nicely tell a cop he had a firearm during a routine traffic stop for a break light with his kid and girlfriend in the car but then try to quick draw and shoot the cop.
On the other hand, he's a cop, and if you're a cop and someone is reaching for a gun after telling him to stop three times what are you supposed to do?
I don't think from that video you can say the cop was not justified. He's doing what he's trained to do. But it was an avoidable situation on both sides. You have a gun in your car? You don't move your fricking hands.
You're a cop and a guy says he has a gun? Ask him to step out the car for safety. Or at least say "don't reach for it" with more urgency in his voice. They were having a conversation, he said he had a gun, and the cop seemed to just say don't reach for it in a nonchalant voice.
It is a sad situation all the way around. Is it standard procedure for police to check a driver's license and insurance for a brake light stop? I am sure it is the cop's call.. In a perfect world I would think that when they stop someone for something like a brake light, they would just inform the driver, remind them to get it fixed (sort of a warning stop) unless there is something suspicious and the brake light thing is the only thing you have to stop them for..
Either way, I wasn't in that situation so I can't say who should have done what, but it seems like what happened was. The guy was getting the insurance information out of the glove compartment. While doing so, he figured he would tell the police, just to be on the safe side, that he had a firearm. I guess he didn't want them to see it on him and assume he plans on using it or what. After informing the police, in his mind he was thinking he was doing the right thing, continued to get the insurance info.
It was a matter of misunderstanding on both parts. The guy thought by telling the police he did have a firearm, which he had a license to carry, he was trying to avoid any reaction from the police, if they saw the firearm without telling them, while he was reaching for the insurance info.
The policeman must have felt threatened when the guy informed him he was carrying a firearm and the guy was thinking "I am reaching for the insurance like he asked" and the police was thinking "he told me he had a firearm and he is reaching".
Most policeman do not start their day hoping to have to shoot someone. I doubt that was the last thing the policeman wanted to do, but it was just how he reacted. With that said, the guy has to live with that for the rest of his life, he lost his job, etc so I don't know if putting him in jail would be the right thing to do, but if blame had to be given, I would have to go with blaming the police.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:56 pm to jbgleason
This isn't surprising. A jury with two blacks on it voted 12-0 not guilty.
Of course they had access to what really went down.
Of course they had access to what really went down.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:57 pm to OweO
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Is it standard procedure for police to check a driver's license and insurance for a brake light stop?
Its SOP to ask for DL on every stop. And most of the time Insurance papers
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:03 pm to jbgleason
I don't know man. I think the cop could have asked him to step out the car with his hands up.
The guy said he had to pull it out it might have been in his waistband and it was slipping.
I'm usually pretty pro police but this seems a bit suspect. It's bad procedure on the cops part. The guy told him he had a gun in a non aggressive manor. I don't think he was pulling on him.
The guy said he had to pull it out it might have been in his waistband and it was slipping.
I'm usually pretty pro police but this seems a bit suspect. It's bad procedure on the cops part. The guy told him he had a gun in a non aggressive manor. I don't think he was pulling on him.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:05 pm to DupontsCircle
Well you're also an idiot, so there's that.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:06 pm to Hangit
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He was fishing.
And he was right.... funny how that's often the case
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:06 pm to DupontsCircle
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The guy said he had to pull it out it
He didn't say that.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:07 pm to TigerBait2008
You just follow me around to insult me because you're that pathetic. Figures.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:12 pm to TigerBait2008
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Well you're also an idiot, so there's that.
Dang you really changed his mind with that well thought out response.
So I've read the whole thread and I see a lot of posts calling Castille an idiot for not know how to deal with police. I get it...but I would hope we don't have to take a course to teach us how to not get blown away by the police.
The guy said he has a gun...I would hope an officer is trained enough to tell the guy specifically what he needs to do from that point forward.
My conclusion is the officer isn't guilty of murder but he should have been in another line of work. My $0.02.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:29 pm to DupontsCircle
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It's bad procedure on the cops part.
Perhaps. But that does not make him guilty of a crime.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:33 pm to DeathValley85
I hear you, and while I think some clearly do, I don't need a course. If a cop tells me not to do something in a situation like that, I comply. If nothing else, I freeze and don't move.
We have a lot, and I mean a LOT, of people in this country who wouldn't survive a situation like this. It's okay, though. We should have good rules and good systems and not worry so much about perfect outcomes.
Remember that we are guaranteed due process and not an accurate verdict. If you think for a minute about that, there's good reason for it.
We have a lot, and I mean a LOT, of people in this country who wouldn't survive a situation like this. It's okay, though. We should have good rules and good systems and not worry so much about perfect outcomes.
Remember that we are guaranteed due process and not an accurate verdict. If you think for a minute about that, there's good reason for it.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:29 pm to rondo
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is the 2nd thing to do is pray to god this cop doesn't flip his shite and take any movement as a threat?
The cop says don't pull it out, and he replies stating, "I'm a have to pull it out."
That's not exactly "taking any movement as a threat." That's verbatim the driver saying he has to pull his gun out after being told not to.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:33 pm to slackster
quote:In fairness, it seems from the video that the moment the driver says he has a gun, he goes for it to grab it.
Perhaps some command from the officer would help as well. Guy tells you he has a gun, tell him to place his hands on the steering wheel immediately.
So with that said, did the cop ever really have a chance to give the command to put his hand on the wheel? The cop did clearly tell him to not reach for the gun and not to pull it out 2, maybe 3 times. So he did give commands, the driver seems to not have listened.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:40 pm to shel311
Most rational human beings would stop dead doing whatever they were doing if a cop said stop, especially if on the third command he reached in the window and tried to stop you physically. Actually on second thought, all rational human beings would.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:42 pm to shel311
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The cop says don't pull it out, and he replies stating, "I'm a have to pull it out."
He didn't say that. He said the opposite of that. Jesus Harold Christ.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:43 pm to DeathValley85
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The guy said he has a gun...I would hope an officer is trained enough to tell the guy specifically what he needs to do from that point forward.
Yeah, maybe he can say something like, "ok well don't reach for it ", but sometimes crazy confusing words like those might not be understood. Cops must carry a dry erase board so they can draw out pictured instruction in moments like this for all the retards out there.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:49 pm to jbgleason
The guy was a dunce for reaching for the gun (if that's what he did). That being said, common sense would dictate that a man in the car with his SO and kid calmly telling a cop he has a gun on him isn't planning on whipping it out to shoot the same cop three seconds later.
I understand common sense often doesn't play into split second decisions, but objectively it's hard to not lay a significant amount of blame at the cop's feet.
I understand common sense often doesn't play into split second decisions, but objectively it's hard to not lay a significant amount of blame at the cop's feet.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:02 pm to jbgleason
He was going for the licence. That dipshit cop panicked and overreacted. Most of these idiot cops that roam the street are about as worthless and unqualified as a limp penis. Should have went to prison.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 11:06 pm to Vlatket
How do we know if he was going for a gun or license, where is this alternate view you are watching? The only thing we know for sure, is the driver was going for something and told 3 times to stop, and had a cop reach in a window to try to make him stop when he reached the third warning. Nothing more, nothing less, then he got lit up.
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