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re: Per request: cycling deaths are on the rise in the US
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:35 am to Ingeniero
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:35 am to Ingeniero
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Not free, no. But there are tons of scholarly articles that show the implementation of cycling infrastructure is a net positive in a cost-benefit analysis. Nothing's free, but it's pretty proven that it's cheaper and better in the long run.
It's just too low a priority for me given our infrastructure needs. So outside of earmarked revenue generated from the end users (or some kind of donation/grant specifically for these types of projects), it's a tough sell for me.
This has more to do with our shitty state and not a desire to shite on or hate on cyclists, as I assure you I'm not that guy.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:37 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Who thought it was a good idea to put cars on the road with trucks that outweigh them by 30 tons?
Certainly that's an issue on the highway. Cars are fully equipped with safety features, airbags, etc., and can generally go faster than heavy trucks.
None of that is true about bicycles versus cars.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:38 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:50 am to LNCHBOX
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No one that brings up cyclists ignoring laws is ever talking about ones that follow the rules most of the time.
How do yo know which are and which aren't?
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And drivers that do the same are just as bad. The difference is those drivers get ticketed.
No, they don't. Nearly EVERYBODY exceeds a speed limit every time they get behind the wheel. Most drivers conduct "rolling stops", most drivers don't signal turns or lane changes. Not only do I ride a bicycle, but I also ride a motorcycle. If you want to see how few car drivers actually obey all of the rules of the road, ride a motorcycle.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:54 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Nearly EVERYBODY exceeds a speed limit every time they get behind the wheel.
This site needs an ignore feature so badly.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:57 am to LNCHBOX
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This site needs an ignore feature so badly.
What's the matter, you can't just ignore someone, you have to have a "feature" to do it for you?
I'll show you how it works...
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:59 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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What's the matter, you can't just ignore someone, you have to have a "feature" to do it for you?
A guy can dream.
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'll show you how it works...
You'll be reading every last word I type and fighting the urge to respond.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:17 pm to justsomedude
It's amazing to me how people cannot understand that two things can be true at once.
"We should structure for more bicycles in cities!"
Ok, maybe so. No doubt.
"And also bicycles are BETTER than cars in every way, and there is no use case generally for vehicles in a country thousands of miles across a continent where people often live 30+ minutes away from grocery stores, and we have everything we need between bicycles and public transit trains, and if you don't agree entirely in every way with me you hate the polar bears!"
Lol no vehicles are necessary, too. How about Baton Rouge and Los Angeles add legitimate bike lanes and people be more careful about cyclists while cyclists be a little less elitist for starters? Can we start there?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:41 pm to Ingeniero
I was ready to wince reading this story, but of course it fits the OT's general thought of roadies. Too bad. Dude rode all the way over here from CA to run a stop sign and get killed.
Ca Cyclist Kill In Va
Ca Cyclist Kill In Va
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:53 pm to justsomedude
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:00 pm to Barbellthor
quote:I don’t think anyone here is having that problem. All cyclists in this thread (except maybe one) are also motorists.
It's amazing to me how people cannot understand that two things can be true at once.
It’s simply a matter of logic and deductive conclusion that virtually all American cities owe it to themselves to shift more focus more toward cyclists, pedestrians, and public transit and less toward motorists. It’s also a matter of fact that achieving this more favorable balance would improve conditions for motorists as much as for the others.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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Certainly that's an issue on the highway.
Yes, but no one would take truckers seriously for suggesting we get cars off the highways.
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Cars are fully equipped with safety features, airbags, etc., and can generally go faster than heavy trucks.
None of that is true about bicycles versus cars.
5,000 people per year are killed in their cars by trucks, 1,200 people are killed on their bikes by cars. All those safety features aren't saving those car drivers. Bicyclists have a limited ability to evade cars just as cars have a limited ability to evade trucks.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:12 pm to baldona
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The problem with this is you all act like you have the right of way and that its your turn no matter who stopped first.
The problem with this statement is that you are acting as if all cyclists follow the same set of behaviors. There are good cyclists and there are bad cyclists.
I always follow the laws when it comes to right-of-ways. Many times, the problem lies with the driver who skipped over the bicycle section of the driver test because they don't ride a bike. Many times I've had to stare drivers in the face at intersections to get them to move because they have the right of way, but they don't know what to do. very conveniently, they blame their lack of knowledge of how to drive in accordance with the law on the cyclist, saying "I didn't know what they were going to do!" As if that would ever be an acceptable defense is you plowed into another vehicle.
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Instead, all these a-hole bike riders act like cars should do everything to avoid them including knowing when the bike riders won't follow the rules of the road. Including, riding well under the speed limit.
What are you talking about riding under the speed limit? I can only go as fast as I can go. And regardless of whether the retort "Well you should get off the road" is right or wrong (whatever that means), the law states I have a right to be on the road. If you want that changed, lobby for change. If you can't be bothered to actually do something, climb back up in that vehicle and follow the law.
I don't know, man. Kill me with intent I guess? I get to die doing one of my favorite things (riding my bike) and you get to go to prison for manslaughter.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:37 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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5,000 people per year are killed in their cars by trucks, 1,200 people are killed on their bikes by cars. All those safety features aren't saving those car drivers.
I would certainly hate to get into a pissing contest, but that is a pretty horrific ratio (for the cyclists), just knowing how many more miles are logged by drivers (and passengers) of cars and light trucks compared to bicyclists using public roads. That's easily 1000 to 1. And, considering (again) the average speed of cars is easily 3 if not 4 times that of cyclists.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:49 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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Do you stop at stop signs?
A lot of people driving vehicles don’t stop at stop signs or even red lights.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:13 pm to Ingeniero
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cycling deaths are on the rise in the US
When the OTs wishes come true.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:29 pm to xiv
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I don’t think anyone here is having that problem. All cyclists in this thread (except maybe one) are also motorists.
No, not here.
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It’s simply a matter of logic and deductive conclusion that virtually all American cities owe it to themselves to shift more focus more toward cyclists, pedestrians, and public transit and less toward motorists. It’s also a matter of fact that achieving this more favorable balance would improve conditions for motorists as much as for the others.
Yup. I've also gotten into discussion with people who genuinely propose "high speed rail and city busing, though. Vehicles don't mean freedom." Yes, if you live in a fair sized city, and don't need to leave often, you can skip the truck note. For the rest of the world, however, people have to get further than the Starbucks two blocks down.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:47 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Number of minutes/hours logged might also shed some light.
how many more miles are logged by drivers (and passengers) of cars and light trucks compared to bicyclists using public roads
Also somewhere in each group is the line between the responsible/compliant and the irresponsible/noncompliant. I’d guess that the percent of motorists who follow the law and being safe is higher than that of cyclists following the law and being safe.
I’d bet that the irresponsible motorist is safer than the irresponsible cyclist and that the responsible cyclist (hi) is safer than the responsible motorist.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:53 pm to Barbellthor
quote:That’s a choice. Most Americans choose poorly. That’s why they complain so much about gas prices and spend so much of their lives in traffic.
For the rest of the world, however, people have to get further than the Starbucks two blocks down.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:29 pm to xiv
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That’s a choice. Most Americans choose poorly. That’s why they complain so much about gas prices and spend so much of their lives in traffic.
Kinda. I mean not literally every person can live in New York City. Also, there are tradeoffs. Some people can deal with traffic better (not me), some people have to or want to live in urban areas for work or just because they like it, some people want to be able to piss off their back porch, some people may make the decision because they hate driving, some people need a truck for their job or hobbies, or they can't or don't want to bike.
I mean it's all a choice. But there's no choice about anything really that doesn't have external consequences that you may not like. You choose the most good choices that give you the best overall life experience depending on your preferences. So, I wouldn't really say some people "choose poorly" for preferring vehicles or living in some place other than Miami.
But yea, there's nothing wrong with bikes or widening their lanes.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:42 pm to Barbellthor
quote:(Yes they can, but that’s not the point) But literally anybody can live within a mile of where I am—and trust me, they do
not literally every person can live in New York City
—and that means anyone other than the infirm in the greater Bâton Rouge area can live my lifestyle if they want. To anyone who is burdened by traffic and gas prices in this area: YOU DID THAT!!! 
I aim only to spread the gospel of personal responsibility and intuition and to beg forgiveness for any smug I might give off.
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