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re: Per request: cycling deaths are on the rise in the US
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:06 am to Ingeniero
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:06 am to Ingeniero
All we need are more empty bike lanes.
I can't believe they tore up Hyacinth for months to put in never used bike lanes and they didn't actually fix the fricking road while it was being done.
I can't believe they tore up Hyacinth for months to put in never used bike lanes and they didn't actually fix the fricking road while it was being done.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:09 am to Ingeniero
New to the thread and needed to share my thoughts: I live in Chicago and I bike a lot: to the gym, to the grocery, to the coffee shop. This is great and manageable bc I can also walk to these places; the bike just makes it quicker and more convenient. Most streets are ones with frequent 4 way stops (every non major street intersection) and a stop light every quarter mile for the major streets. No I don't stop at stop signs at 4 way stops.
In this style of living, I don't really need a car unless I wanna drive to a golf course miles away (hard to transport clubs). It's not a full blown European style city, and some people have cars, especially families. In my area, pedestrians and bikers are the top priority, and cars are second.
This style of living allows for this! When you live in suburbia, you gotta own a car and you need that car to drive anywhere bc places are miles away.
Most people would actually be happier living in a place like I do where you can do shite without having to get in a car and drive. You make places like that by focusing the community on walkability and bike friendliness. The first thought in the design is "How does this help people move around easily" and not "where do people park their cars?"
Its real hard to undo the car first mentality with our cities bc the infrastructure does not really allow for it. It's a chicken or the egg scenario when it comes to biking, walking, and driving.
In this style of living, I don't really need a car unless I wanna drive to a golf course miles away (hard to transport clubs). It's not a full blown European style city, and some people have cars, especially families. In my area, pedestrians and bikers are the top priority, and cars are second.
This style of living allows for this! When you live in suburbia, you gotta own a car and you need that car to drive anywhere bc places are miles away.
Most people would actually be happier living in a place like I do where you can do shite without having to get in a car and drive. You make places like that by focusing the community on walkability and bike friendliness. The first thought in the design is "How does this help people move around easily" and not "where do people park their cars?"
Its real hard to undo the car first mentality with our cities bc the infrastructure does not really allow for it. It's a chicken or the egg scenario when it comes to biking, walking, and driving.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:10 am to Ingeniero
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No one said they never were. But I already pay taxes for roads. When they repave/realign a road to add in a needed turn lane, for example, we don't have a "people who will be using this turn lane" tax. Same way we wouldn't have a bike lane tax. It's infrastructure that falls under the purview of whoever is maintaining that road, be that state or local entities. Not only that, there's a pretty good argument that a protected bike lane would reduce congestion by getting cyclists out of the travel lane that vehicles use. Why don't YOU pay a convenience tax since you'll have less cyclist related slowdowns?
You either want to share the road or you don't. Get signals, pay insurance, pay registration like everyone else you share the road with. Or stay off the road. Pretty simple. You can't pick and choose which parts you want to share.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:12 am to LNCHBOX
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Get signals, pay insurance, pay registration like everyone else you share the road with.
We have hands.
Bikes are covered in home owner insurance.
And its super gross that you think I should have to register my bike with the State.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:14 am to Salmon
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And its super gross that you think I should have to register my bike with the State.
I have to register my car, so until that goes away I expect the same for any vehicle I'm sharing a road with.
I'll gladly take getting rid of registration and inspections if you're offering it
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:15 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:15 am to armsdealer
quote:I use it regularly.
I can't believe they tore up Hyacinth for months to put in never used bike lanes and they didn't actually fix the fricking road while it was being done.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:16 am to irishTiger18
quote:One thousand percent.
Most people would actually be happier living in a place like I do where you can do shite without having to get in a car and drive. You make places like that by focusing the community on walkability and bike friendliness. The first thought in the design is "How does this help people move around easily" and not "where do people park their cars?"
Its real hard to undo the car first mentality with our cities bc the infrastructure does not really allow for it.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:18 am to LNCHBOX
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I'll gladly take getting rid of registration and inspections if you're offering it
Sure
Bikes also don't produce emissions, so no testing/regulation required on that
Being an engineer, you also know that bikes have an infinitesimally small impact on cracking, rutting and other road failures when compared to vehicles. So the taxes that we pay into the general fund more than cover what cyclists cost. Hell, the state would probably save money if they could start a big enough campaign for people to ride.
ETA: think of all the extra money Louisiana politicians could launder if roads stayed in good condition for decades rather than years and didnt need constant repair
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:19 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:18 am to LNCHBOX
Let me guess, you're one of the ones complaining about bicyclists breaking the law by running stop signs while you exceed the speed limit every time you get behind the wheel.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:20 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Let me guess, you're one of the ones complaining about bicyclists breaking the law by running stop signs while you exceed the speed limit every time you get behind the wheel.
Nope. I stop and signal and obey the speed limit most every time I drive. How many times you gonna try this weak arse gotcha?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:21 am to Ingeniero
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Bikes also don't produce emissions, so no testing/regulation required on that
I didn't say emissions testing.
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Being an engineer, you also know that bikes have an infinitesimally small impact on cracking, rutting and other road failures when compared to vehicles. So the taxes that we pay into the general fund more than cover what cyclists cost. Hell, the state would probably save money if they could start a big enough campaign for people to ride.
The lanes to operate them safely in aren't free though, so that's kind a of a big deal when we already have issues funding needed roadway projects.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:24 am to LNCHBOX
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I'll gladly take getting rid of registration and inspections if you're offering it
this should be your logic
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:26 am to Salmon
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this should be your logic
I'm not living in some fantasy world where that ever happens
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:28 am to Ingeniero
If you wanna have better biking infrastructure then move to a place with better bike lanes. I don't want my tax dollars going to clogging up the roads.
I kid. Well kinda.
I kid. Well kinda.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:30 am to LNCHBOX
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obey the speed limit most every time
Lawbreaker.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:30 am to LNCHBOX
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I'm not living in some fantasy world where that ever happens
you're right
its not going to happen
instead of thinking "they should have to do all of this government bullshite like me!"
you should think "hey they are avoiding all the government bullshite, maybe they are smart"
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:31 am to Salmon
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you're right
its not going to happen
instead of thinking "they should have to do all of this government bullshite like me!"
you should think "hey they are avoiding all the government bullshite, maybe they are smart"
With the downpour at my office right now, I'm cool getting into my truck instead of on my bike
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:32 am to LNCHBOX
Not free, no. But there are tons of scholarly articles that show the implementation of cycling infrastructure is a net positive in a cost-benefit analysis. Nothing's free, but it's pretty proven that it's cheaper and better in the long run.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:33 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Lawbreaker.
No one that brings up cyclists ignoring laws is ever talking about ones that follow the rules most of the time. There's a certain types of cyclist those comments are referring to. And drivers that do the same are just as bad. The difference is those drivers get ticketed. This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 11:36 am
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