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re: Pencil whipping,,, still being used as valid reason for terminating problem operators???
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:45 am to Trevaylin
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:45 am to Trevaylin
The first offense gets a "Coaching and Counseling" session with the supervisor. Second time gets a letter in the personnel file. The third time could lead to termination.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:51 am to OweO
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At first I thought this was about the game we all played in school where you hold your pencil and the other person gets a shot to use their pencil to break yours and you go back and forth until someone's pencil breaks.
you mean "pee-yoncil break"?
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:20 am to Trevaylin
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40 years ago catching a problem operator pencil whipping logs and laboratory analysis was a doable termination because the data was critical to safe operation of the plant. Still done today????
With everything stored in DCS for the most part and able to be trended and reviewed very easily, it would be quite risky to pencil whip readings.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:42 am to Trevaylin
In the union plants it's more or less impossible to fire someone
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:52 am to Strannix
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Its pencil whack baw
when I was in middle school, my grandma gave me one of those little lead figurine sets where you melt the lead and make army soldiers. I took the eraser out of a pencil and filled with with lead, then painted the top pink. Commenced to turn pencils into splinters
Posted on 8/7/21 at 8:59 am to Trevaylin
David Hackworth said in the army it was known as the M1 pencil.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:09 am to MikeD
Agreed. All inspections/tests we do these days are verified with electronic logs. Would be pretty bold to check a box without actually performing the test. And yes, one should be fired. That’s inexcusable.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:12 am to Rhino5
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I’ve been working from home for 18 months.
Thanks for that information.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:18 am to Trevaylin
All depends. It typically doesn’t matter unless it’s egregious, but the people that do it know what the typical numbers should read. Now when there’s a situation that occurs and they decide to investigate previous shift readings and who recorded them.. that’s your arse. But even still, if your facility is unionized then good luck canning someone easily.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:49 am to Relham10
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We have people that do it and bosses know they do. Their reading sheets will be blank all week then at the end of their shift its all filled out. They must have a great memory to remember a weeks worth of readings.
I bet these guys post here like crazy during the week

Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:51 am to mauser
Is anyone going to explain exactly what pencil whipping is? Sounds like just making shite up for a report but would like clarification.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:09 am to El Magnifico
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Is anyone going to explain exactly what pencil whipping is? Sounds like just making shite up for a report but would like clarification.
It’s some gay initiation rite that operators in Louisiana and a Texas do.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:15 am to El Magnifico
It's also called padding numbers. Say you're supposed check readings on some gauges every hour. They are always the same so you get lazy and skip your hourly gauge check and write in the readings based on the history. It's laziness and low character.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 10:30 am to El Magnifico
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Is anyone going to explain exactly what pencil whipping is? Sounds like just making shite up for a report but would like clarification.
It’s fudging the numbers. Let’s say you have to run pH samples every shift. You’ve done that sample hundreds of times, thousands of time even, and it’s always between an 8 and 9. You decide to stop actually running a sample and just start putting a number between 8 and 9. That’s pencil whipping.
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