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re: Pan Am Flight 759 -NOLA 35 yrs ago today

Posted on 7/9/17 at 7:17 pm to
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
33212 posts
Posted on 7/9/17 at 7:17 pm to
There was a really good documentary on this for the 30th anniversary. I think it was on PBS.
Posted by The Don
Praireville
Member since Sep 2006
879 posts
Posted on 7/9/17 at 7:31 pm to
I was also 14 when this happened. I lived on North Cumberland. I road my bike over to the crash and will never forget the smell.
Posted by MottLaneKid
Gonzales
Member since Apr 2012
4543 posts
Posted on 7/9/17 at 8:05 pm to
I was at MSY today providing weather observations. Eerie feeling reporting thunderstorms today at the airport.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41365 posts
Posted on 7/9/17 at 9:05 pm to
And once again... Nash Roberts got it right before anyone else did.
Posted by reverendotis
the jawbone of an arse
Member since Nov 2007
4988 posts
Posted on 7/9/17 at 9:13 pm to
quote:

This crash and the one at DFW in 1985 led to wind shear detection technology for aircraft.


My dad was on shift at MSY that afternoon, worked as a radar systems electronics tech. Talk about a bad day at the shop.

Another technology that came out of that was a program that ran on the air traffic control's vacuum tube computer systems that used last known speed, heading & altitude to help predict crash site locations following an accident.

Two of the guys that worked in the shop and one of the tower controllers at MSY wrote it following PanAm 759.
Posted by just1dawg
Virginia
Member since Dec 2011
1495 posts
Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:04 pm to
Man, this is sad. I never knew that there was a famous wind shear accident that happened on takeoff as well as Delta 191, which happened on landing.

Imagine how powerful the wind must've been to overcome a 727. Those planes had complex high lift devices on the wings to enable them to get in and out of LaGuardia (which launch customer Eastern required) and of course, plenty of power. Still overwhelmed by mother nature.

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The damage to the aircraft was so extensive that little could be revealed about the aircraft's condition at the time of the accident. However, investigators were able to determine that the flaps and slats were extended properly. Also, the engine gauges revealed that the engines had all been set to a high EPR at the time of the crash. No evidence of engine malfunction could be found. Recovery of the FDR showed that everything was functioning normally throughout the short flight. The CVR was badly distorted, but with noise filtering, some of the recording was decipherable. After learning of the low-level windshear alert, the McCullers told Pierce to "Let your airspeed build up on takeoff" and suggested they turn off the air conditioning packs for takeoff, allowing them to get a higher EPR from the engines. McCullers also suggested that they turn slightly to the left on takeoff to avoid the worst of the weather.


From https://www.pilotfriend.com/disasters/crash/panam759.htm
Posted by just1dawg
Virginia
Member since Dec 2011
1495 posts
Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:05 pm to
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Based on the meteorological data, investigators concluded that 759 encountered a microburst, penetrating the centre of it just after rotation where it then encountered a decreasing shear of 48kts as it flew into the backside, encountering downdrafts of around 600feet/minute. Investigators also concluded that, given the limited visual cues available due to the heavy rain, the actions of McCullers and Pierce were as prompt as could be expected. Evidence at the crash site indicated that they had actually stopped the descent and entered a slight climb just prior to hitting trees.
Posted by Spankum
The Sip
Member since Jan 2007
62926 posts
Posted on 7/9/17 at 11:26 pm to
amazing that this happened 35 years ago...life passes us by quickly...
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41365 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:39 am to
Nowadays, that type of weather that close to the airport would result in a ground stop. It's pretty amazing that they took off in those conditions - although back then, they didn't know what we know today.

Also, I despise the takeoff to the east, land heading west approach at that airport.
Posted by Charlie Arglist
Wichita, Kansas
Member since Nov 2012
5550 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:42 am to
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777Tiger saw it happen. He was a pilot and was second in line for takeoff.


Is this for real???


ETA: Damn, I guess so. LINK
This post was edited on 7/10/17 at 12:57 am
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
15168 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:41 am to
There was also Eastern 304, a DC-8, that went down in Lake Pontchartrain after takeoff from MSY on Feb. 25th, 1964.

LINK
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:28 am to
quote:

This crash and the one at DFW in 1985 led


I flew into Dallas shortly after the crash. It was an eerie and sobering scene. I was in the everglades when the Miami plane went down. I left work and flew home on valuejet before they were grounded. A harrowing flight.
Posted by MBclass83
Member since Oct 2010
10351 posts
Posted on 7/10/17 at 5:42 am to
I wa a bew employee of BRGH and they told us to be ready for the injured. We had the burn unit for the area. They never came. So sad.
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