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re: Paleo nerds and health Nannys-How much longer do I have to live?

Posted on 3/10/16 at 6:18 pm to
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 6:18 pm to
The hell is this, a starvation diet? Why not just transition to a keto diet and be fully satiated?
Posted by pleading the fifth
Member since Feb 2006
3991 posts
Posted on 3/10/16 at 6:23 pm to
FWIW, dairy and oats are 100% not paleo.

I usually do an 80/20 paleo diet one month a year. I do feel better and find my digestion is better. However I love bread, beer, and cheese too much. YOLO
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 8:48 am to
Chairman of cardiovascular disease at the Cleveland Clinic

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This has led to many flip-flops in dietary advice. At one point epidemiological data suggested that cholesterol might be linked to heart disease, and fat to cancer. For decades physicians told the public to avoid egg yolks and shellfish. Millions of Americans adopted low-fat diets and ate more carbohydrates. Yet these theorized links were later rejected. And a large body of evidence now suggests that eating excessive carbohydrates increases the risk of heart disease, obesity and diabetes.


The more you know...
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:06 am to
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This has led to many flip-flops in dietary advice. At one point epidemiological data suggested that cholesterol might be linked to heart disease, and fat to cancer. For decades physicians told the public to avoid egg yolks and shellfish. Millions of Americans adopted low-fat diets and ate more carbohydrates. Yet these theorized links were later rejected. And a large body of evidence now suggests that eating excessive carbohydrates increases the risk of heart disease, obesity and diabetes.


Deck chairs on the Titanic. The standard American diet is to have excess of both. That is the problem. You sell atkins or keto to people with the line "eat all you want of...." Same for vegan and fork over knives people. Eat potatoes and rice until you bust.

I feel true balance is what is needed. Realizing that meat for humans is a luxury and eat it as such. Should be your smallest portion. And putting tons of dairy products in your carbs is the American way as well.

Life long balance is what is needed. THAT is the hardest part. You can go pure Vegan or pure Keto for short periods to lose quick weight. But you will not sustain either. You will always cheat.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:07 am to
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Nothing, probably won't even notice you're gone
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 9:14 am to
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How do you plan on getting the necessary fat in your diet to support brain function, skin health, intestinal efficiency, etc


Seeds and nuts, avocado, coconut oil, etc.

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You need animal protein


Yeah. No you don't.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 10:31 am to
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I feel true balance is what is needed. Realizing that meat for humans is a luxury and eat it as such. Should be your smallest portion. And putting tons of dairy products in your carbs is the American way as well. Life long balance is what is needed. THAT is the hardest part. You can go pure Vegan or pure Keto for short periods to lose quick weight. But you will not sustain either. You will always cheat.


I do not disagree but proper context is needed

If you are a relatively lean and active person, you have a different relationship with carbs than the typical American

If you are a typical American (obese, diabetic, sedentary,etc), you have a toxic relationship with carbs. An asymmetric, carb restricted diet in those folks make sense. Once in lean /active mode, carbs and "balance" can be reintroduced.

Prior recommendations are one size fits all. Proper context and individualization is needed (although some of the broad strokes are becoming clearer).

My favorite paradigm is one called "feed your activity level" proposed by Chris Hardy in Strong Medicine. No macronutrient is completely vilified. Balance in all aspects of life is emphasized.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 5:09 pm to
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My favorite paradigm is one called "feed your activity level" proposed by Chris Hardy in Strong Medicine. No macronutrient is completely vilified. Balance in all aspects of life is emphasized.




For most that would be a concentration camp diet.

shite. I, for the most part, sit at a desk.

I always propose an "eat like an Asian" diet. "I need to eat this bowl of rice to LIVE so I can work and provide for my family...." Eat to live, not live to eat. At its purest.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 5:28 pm to
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Question. What kind of shite are all you degenerates going to write about me when my vital organs fail and I die an inglorious and excruciating death?


The only thing I can think of is that..One day you started a shitty thread asking what people will write about you when you die because you are on some shitty diet.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 5:53 pm to
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shite. I, for the most part, sit at a desk. I always propose an "eat like an Asian" diet. "I need to eat this bowl of rice to LIVE so I can work and provide for my family...." Eat to live, not live to eat. At its purest.


That is built into the plan

If you are completely sedentary - gravitate to well sourced diet mainly of fat, veggies, fiber, greens, moderate protein (limit /restrict carbs)

If /when you are active, add back well sourced carbs on those days

You will often get some positive reinforcement /reward behavior from this association

PS : you should consider a standing desk. Plenty of data on the hazards of chronic sitting
Posted by retired trucker
midwest
Member since Feb 2015
5093 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:26 pm to
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Either way, I'd suggest you consume more good fats like olive oil and avocados


don't forget virgin coconut oil
the liver also loves the coconut oil
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:29 pm to
add fruit and vegetables soon.

20 years ago, people went on that diet. kidney failure was a feature.

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