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re: Paging fr33manator: Why is "Baton Rouge" in so many songs?

Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:48 pm to
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:48 pm to
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I can't think of another city besides "Nashville" in so many songs?
"New Orleans" is in far more.
Posted by ItSawGood
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:48 pm to
And if you pronounce like SWB, your list grows a few more!

Sludge
Pudge
Grudge
Judge
Posted by AlonsoWDC
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:49 pm to
Memphis is mentioned in more songs in recorded music history than any other city.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:51 pm to
It’s in Counting Crows’ “Goodnight Elizabeth.”

I’ll wait for you in Baton Rouge
Miss you down in New Orleans
I’ll wait for you while she slips in something comfortable
I’ll miss you when I’m slipping in between

A few things:

—the 2 syllables followed by 1 is more aesthetically pleasing to the ear for some reason

—but “Rouge” lends itself to being stretched naturally for longer/more notes with the right phrasing

—its French origin is kinda cool

—it’s along the Mississippi, but not New Orleans, which is in too many songs, gives you more flexibility than Memphis and its 2 syllables, sounds better that. St. Louis, and who ever wrote anything about Minneapolis?

—New Orleans music history and overall cultural uniqueness has it being a stop on most big tours. Baton Rouge being so close has got to be on the mind of a lot of songwriters, even if they don’t play there. They could have driven through to the next gig or just been aware of it because it’s so close.


So there are some reasons why it would be used more than other cities its size. Whether it is or not, I’m not sure. I’d bet it is close, but I also realize that my brain is programmed to notice it more, like I’m sure OP’s is.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:52 pm to
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Sludge Pudge Grudge Judge



He lives in Baton Rudge,
He eats a lotta fudge,
Yeah Gravy’s gotta grudge,
And the Honkies he will judge,
He’s got a hefty pudge,
His Veins are full of sludge,
But if you give him a nudge.
His fat arse won’t even budge!
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:53 pm to
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Memphis is mentioned in more songs in recorded music history than any other city
no way that's true

Google claims it's NYC

New York - 161 songs.
Los Angeles - 87 songs.
California - 68 songs.
Hollywood - 66 songs.
Miami - 46 songs.
New Orleans - 43 songs.
Brooklyn - 38 songs.
Texas - 29 songs.
Posted by Epaminondas
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:53 pm to
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Shreveport*,

*How many songs mention that city?
On a Greyhound bus
Lord, I'm traveling this morning
I'm goin' to Shreveport and down to New Orleans
Been travelin' these highways
Been doin' things my way
It's been making me lonesome, on'ry and mean
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:55 pm to
Sure it is.

LINK

1074 songs, 800 unique titles.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:56 pm to
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On a Greyhound bus
Lord, I'm traveling this morning
I'm goin' to Shreveport and down to New Orleans
Been travelin' these highways
Been doin' things my way
It's been making me lonesome, on'ry and mean
OMG a Steve Young song

I feel so ashamed not recognizing it
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 10:59 pm to
So that article was written by a Memphis PR shill?

Let me know when NO hires a firm to do one

Not knocking Memphis' musical significance but NO is going to have more
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:02 pm to
I think the best place names for songs are 2-4 syllables and don’t contain “city”


No one’s writing a song about Walking in Walla Walla Washington, or Clute.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:06 pm to
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New Orleans - 43 songs
Wikipedia has hundreds of songs listed about New Orleans and that excludes repeats.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:07 pm to
Not being a pro songwriter, I would presume the best would be words that end with stress on the last syllable

And preferably a vowel so the singer can stretch it out*

Why "Marie" was such a popular name in songs










*That's why Italian is the language of opera -- all the words end in vowels
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:08 pm to
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quote:

New Orleans - 43 songs
Wikipedia has hundreds of songs listed about New Orleans and that excludes repeats
yeah that didn't make sense to me either

Maybe it's NO in the title? Even then it sounds very low
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:11 pm to
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No one’s writing a song about Walking in Walla Walla Washington
"Folla me in the fall to Walla Walla
If you're ever in Walla Walla gimme a holla"
Posted by Honkus
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:14 pm to
Kenny Chesney - "What I Need To Do"

Eighty-seven more miles gets me into Baton Rouge
There's a buddy of mine who says he might find some work that I can do
This post was edited on 10/29/22 at 11:20 pm
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
130594 posts
Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:18 pm to
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Not being a pro songwriter, I would presume the best would be words that end with stress on the last syllable


You’ve got a great point.

Miami, My Amy comes to mind.

And ending vowels aren’t a feature of English so it would make sense to find them in places.

Maybe that’s why there are so few beautiful German love songs. No ending vowels
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:26 pm to
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Maybe that’s why there are so few beautiful German love songs. No ending vowels
It's a hard language -- even harder than English

Bacccccccccccchhhhhhhhh

Rrrrrrrrudolph

Flegendorfer

Dorfmundhoffer

Karlsbad

Even "Silent Night", often called the most beautiful song ever written, has that "Nacht" in it
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:29 pm to
That and their tendency to make these megawords with lots of hard consonants. It’s a guttural language,

Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 10/29/22 at 11:49 pm to
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So that article was written by a Memphis PR shill?

Let me know when NO hires a firm to do one

Not knocking Memphis' musical significance but NO is going to have more



I think the point we're missing here is WHY Baton Rouge? New Orleans, Memphis, and major cities make sense. But Baton Rouge is a peculiar selection for so many songs.

I believe the answer lies in two primary reasons.

1 .Phonetically it's VERY unique for a Capital City. It has that French draw to it that can be stretched over 6 syllables.

2. It's a capital city but also quaint enough to conjure some mystique and intrigue to listeners and songwriters alike. Everyone's heard of or learned about Baton Rouge in grade school when learning the State Capitals, but not many people back then could picture the city or knew much about it.
But damned near EVERY musician travelled through Baton Rouge when coming from Houston(HWY 90) or Memphis(US 61) to New Orleans.
This post was edited on 10/29/22 at 11:50 pm
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