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re: OT Survivalists...What is your survival plan for a prolonged catastrophe?

Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:00 pm to
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:00 pm to
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This has always been my plan. Go to neighbors houses, tell them I want to team up and then blast them and take their shite!



Funny you mention this, because the #1 thing in long term shtf survival scenario is 'who do you trust'.

Everything else...food, water, ammo, supplies, etc is a distant second.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:05 pm to
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Area I live is perfect for a SHTF scenario. No road access, 70,000 people in an area the size of Florida, amazing abundance of fish and game, relatively mild climate.


Peninsular Alaska isn't a bad spot to be, but hyopthermia would be a constant source of concern. I know the weather is relatively mild for Alaska, but even temps in the 20's/30's/40's for much of the year would be very concerning. Lack of daylight would make surviving winter an annual affair as well.
Posted by LSU1NSEC
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:07 pm to
this might be one scenario for a "prolonged catastrophe"

although one could argue that pre-crisis growth levels were smoke and mirrors to begin with

imf says economic growth may never return to pre-crisis levels

BTW, comments below article are definitely worth reading.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:08 pm to
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Funny you mention this, because the #1 thing in long term shtf survival scenario is 'who do you trust'.

Everything else...food, water, ammo, supplies, etc is a distant second.


This is an excellent point and something I forgot to mention earlier.

Skills like making alliances, politicking, planning and so forth are vital, probably even more important than logistics.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 11:10 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:09 pm to
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Peninsular Alaska isn't a bad spot to be, but hyopthermia would be a constant source of concern. I know the weather is relatively mild for Alaska, but even temps in the 20's/30's/40's for much of the year would be very concerning. Lack of daylight would make surviving winter an annual affair as well.


We're on the Inside Passage, darkness in winter isn't all that bad. Shortest day is about 6 hours of daylight. Thousands of islands, most are public land. There's a 1,500 sq. mile ice cap separating us from Canada, so outside access is very limited.
Posted by VanCleef
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:11 pm to
A former co-worker and I used to discuss this (while discussing the previous night's episode of The Walking Dead.)
Food, water and shelter are the necessities. At some point, you would be at a disadvantage by hunkering down in one place. Living in a large group in one location has a large footprint and would attract others who are in survival mode and will kill to stay alive. Your best chance is a group of 2 or 3 or doing it yourself.
I'd move to some remote place the north west. I'm pretty sure I could hunt, trap, fish and harvest vegetation for food and stay close to fresh, moving water. So instead of living in a place, my shelter would be hasty like a tent. Weapon of choice? .22 rifle, because I can carry a lot of ammo and stay mobile. Outside of that, a compass, magnifying glass (to make fire) and clothes for cold and wet weather.
Not saying I would be comfortable, but I think I could survive for years.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 12:00 am
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:41 pm to


This is pretty cool:
Survival Garden
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:43 pm to
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Try drinking unfiltered and untreated water out of any ground source for a week and see what happens.

You'd get sick as frick with a quickness. Salt tablets sorta/kinda work, but that's not a long-term solution. You can boil water as well, but that takes something of a logistics trail and also leaves you vulnerable if you're lighting a fire.

Is water from a standard well-pump system (like out in rural areas) filtered or treated? I don't know for sure but don't think so.
Posted by goatman1419
Prairieville,LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 11:57 pm to
Grew up in Mississippi we had a well pump and tank. No filters and we never got sick. When I return to visit from the city still drink it with no problems. Have brought friends and girlfriends from city no one has ever complained. I think deep ground water anyone coukd drink as long as it's moving down there and not just a hole.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:15 am to
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Actually, most of us will die from starvation within the first month following a total collapse of our society.


Nope, medical supplies will be the biggest killer. The amount of people that won't be able to get basic needs like heart pills/insulin/etc round the clock, not to mention all the elderly/terminally ill people that need basic services. Plus you have very basic illnesses that normally aren't fatal that will become much more dangerous. We easily forget how important modern medicine is to our society.

Starvation die off amounts can swing very wide depending on the time of year. If we are able to plant and harvest not long after it happens, we will be in much better shape when it comes to starvation. There will still be a massive die off, but it won't be the massive one from lack of medicine.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 6:16 am
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
11623 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 6:55 am to
Out of the blue a few years ago my neighbor (former marine chopper pilot and sniper) asks me " what is your survival plan in the event we lose the power grid for a few weeks." Started feeling uneducated.

In response to his query, I mumbled something about having a generator which then got him excited and talking about guns, planting seeds, and damning up our creek for fresh drinking water.

Needless to say, I have a plan, but will not reveal here as it will be survival of the fittest in a post power grid apocalyptic world and my plan is classified family business.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:08 am to
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Is water from a standard well-pump system (like out in rural areas) filtered or treated? I don't know for sure but don't think so.


Neither. My grandparents had one and they nor I never got sick.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
19994 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:11 am to
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Thanks assholes, I just spent the last hour scouring over planting info and guides.

Good news is I have a lot of good info. Bad news is it takes a lot more than that.

Sucks because it seems like a lot of work to do it (grow crops) "for fun" to learn, but worth it.

Next I need to find out what soil types I'm dealing with.


Hey now, there is always room on the island for a Marine with your skills. I don't think that clan would reject an obvious choice. Seems like our island clan is shaping up to be all surviving and all powerful - although, of course, we would be of the peaceful sort unless threatened.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:14 am to
Yeah I figured that dude was full of shite. What a dumbass.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
19994 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:17 am to
Everyone talks about needing three years for the land to start producing enough to survive. I find that to be a load of shite. Think about settlers who moved into new areas - they didn't have that kind of time for the gardens to become profitable. Find a garden supply store, get some seeds and go from there...
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:19 am to
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If we are able to plant and harvest not long after it happens,

I'd like to stress the point to all that this is not easily done. Even assuming your soil is good and ready and that the time of year is right, most crops take anywhere from 2-6 months to produce. You'll need meat sources as well.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
19994 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 7:22 am to
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I'd like to stress the point to all that this is not easily done


That is the understatement of the year. But not impossible, though. Its good to have the knowledge of how to do it just in case it is ever needed. Might be time for me to revisit some of this stuff...
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:42 am to
Appreciate but we'll have between 6-12 people and in a good place overall. But we can certainly collaborate.
Posted by FAF
NOLA
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:43 am to
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OT Survivalists...What is your survival plan for a prolonged catastrophe?


Ample supply of weaponry.
50' sailboat.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 10/8/14 at 8:54 am to
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Is water from a standard well-pump system (like out in rural areas) filtered or treated? I don't know for sure but don't think so.



Couldn't you just boil your water or add bleach to make it drinkable?
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