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re: OT Mechanics: Standard transmission issue

Posted on 8/26/24 at 7:20 am to
Posted by Traveler
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Posted on 8/26/24 at 7:20 am to
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Muncie does have synchros and straight cut gears

The old M22 "Rockcrushers" with its straight cut gears could take a lot of abuse. I just replaced the rear seal and output bushing on my M21. And you are right, GL-4 is the best for a Muncie.
This post was edited on 8/26/24 at 7:23 am
Posted by Reubaltaich
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Posted on 8/26/24 at 8:01 pm to
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Or a new pilot bearing. I used to have an S10 which the Hombre is just a re-badge of. Pilot bearing went out and started making shifts hard. Warning sign was a loud rubbing noise shifting into gear from a standstill. Also it makes it difficult to shift into 1st or reverse from park. I'd bring it to a mechanic and have them pull the transmission and examine the slave cylinder which is inside the bell housing, have them examine the pilot bearing and look the clutch. Odds are its one of those three.


Gonna drop the trans the next day or so. I have a transmission jack already.


The stinking clutch slave hydraulic line is a booger to get disconnected though. It's in there as a 'quick' connect.
What little gizmo tool do I need to get that line disconnected?

Next, how do I get the pilot bearing out? I think its just bronze bushing. Looking at a couple of pilot bearing pullers from Harbor Freight and AutoZone.

Bushings in the shifter housing looks good.

If a new clutch disc, pressure plate, pilot bearing and clutch slave with a new flywheel doesn't fix it, guess I am gonna have to get a transmission shop to see if they can rebuild it.

A reman is about $1600 with about a 4-6 week lead time.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 8/26/24 at 8:07 pm to
Easy to rebuild. Look online sir a single item 20% coupon for Harbor Freight and get the transmission jack or the adapter for the floor jack if you have one that will work.
It's a lot easier than an automatic but you may need to rent some tools from your local car parts store if you need them.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 8/26/24 at 8:37 pm to
If it is indeed a T5, be VERY CAREFUL about what oil you put into it. Older manual transmissions have bronze parts in them, and a lot of modern lubes for manuals have an additive element that will eat that right up. I don't even need to read the thread to know there were plenty of uninformed answers.

First of all, you need to figure out whether you have a World Class T-5 or a None-World Class T-5. The WC T-5 is made for Dexron/Mercon II ATF and NOT the newer formulations of either! DO NOT put gear oil in it! Find the old formulations!

The NWC T-5 is made for 50 Wt gear oil, NOT 90 Wt or anything else, which I was able to find from Lucas in a synthetic form with the correct additive package.

Now, if your T-5 is hard to shift in all gears, with 2nd being a little harder, and reverse harder still, that is because you're not getting a full clutch release. Isuzu more than likely used the closed plastic master/slave cylinder arrangement on your truck that was becoming popular among OEMs at the time. They wear out. Get new ones, I have not looked, but if they are what I think they are, they will come from Rock Auto as a kit that includes the semi-hard line between them. You want a LuK brand if they have it, that was the most likely OEM part. The reason it is harder in 2nd is because that is your synchro that got the most wear, and reverse has no synchro. Do this, and more than likely you need a clutch and throwout bearing as well, before you open up the trans.

WRT to tearing into the T-5, I just finished one. IF you have a hydraulic press, pullers, a selection of snap ring pliers, drifts, and all the other tools, it is not hard, just time-consuming. If you don't have those tools, you're going to either need a CLOSE buddy that has them, or you're going to be a simian attempting carnal relations with a ovoid inflated pigskin. Just buy a reman. Just the correct parts selection alone stops many people because there were soooooo many T-5's made for so many applications. The only company that was halfway consistent in what they put in the cars was Ford. and GM to some extent. The rest used whatever Tremec shipped them that week.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 8/26/24 at 8:46 pm to
Answers below in italics.

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The stinking clutch slave hydraulic line is a booger to get disconnected though. It's in there as a 'quick' connect.
What little gizmo tool do I need to get that line disconnected?

As I said in my post above, the clutch master and slave are highly likely to be a main issue. IF it is the plastic master/slave that I think it is, there will be a little roll pin that you knock out, and the line will pop right out. However, you need not do this if the new ones come as a pre-connected kit. Check Rock Auto.


Next, how do I get the pilot bearing out? I think its just bronze bushing. Looking at a couple of pilot bearing pullers from Harbor Freight and AutoZone.

The Harbor Freight pilot bearing puller works fine. Way better than the ancient method of using grease, a trans input shaft and a hammer

Bushings in the shifter housing looks good.

If a new clutch disc, pressure plate, pilot bearing and clutch slave with a new flywheel doesn't fix it, guess I am gonna have to get a transmission shop to see if they can rebuild it.

The shops that actually know jack and $hit about rebuilding manuals are few and far between any more. Like I said, if you have all the tools, it's fairly straightforward. You can even download the factory manual from Tremec's website with detailed instructions on how to do it. You may spend ~$500 on tools and another $250 on parts, assuming no gears or shafts are chewed up. It will take you some time to do right. Are you up for it?

A reman is about $1600 with about a 4-6 week lead time.


How wide of a net did you cast in looking for one? Might want to dig a bit deeper on that.
Posted by Cracker
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/26/24 at 9:01 pm to
Rebuild it yourself if it’s a t5 you should easily find plenty of videos on it and if you screw it up swap it in for a reman and give em the old one for the core
Posted by Reubaltaich
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Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 6:40 pm to
Just an update, dropped the transmission and found that the
pilot bearing/bushing was chipped and cracked.

Rented a pilot bearing puller from AutoZone and it worked real well in getting the bushing out of the back of the crank shaft.

Purchased a new clutch kit, LUK. Ordered a new flywheel. Turning it was out of the question.

I still think I have issues with the transmission. Truck almost has 200k miles on it.

To be continued...
Posted by Reubaltaich
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Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:33 pm to
quote:

How wide of a net did you cast in looking for one? Might want to dig a bit deeper on that.


Not very wide.

O'Reillys has been pretty good about getting reman engines and trans for the older model vehicles that I have been around. They quoted me $1600.00.

Haven't checked around much more on it. Next week, I know of a couple very reputable transmission shops that I have known for years to see what they have.

I am trying to keep it somewhat local to my area if all possible if I have to get a reman transmission. I am in Northeast Louisiana, Ouachita parish.

I am starting to think that one of the mounting holes on the transmission where the clutch slave cylinder bolts up to is stripped out.

Yeah, bummer dude. Its an aluminum transmission so I don't think I can put a Heli-Coil insert in it.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 7:54 pm to
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Its an aluminum transmission so I don't think I can put a Heli-Coil insert in it


A time-sert will probably work
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
6745 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

How hard is to rebuild this transmission

They have a lot of parts that have work in unison. At least it’s a standard. They aren’t near as bad as an automatic
Posted by Reubaltaich
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Member since Jun 2006
5336 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:18 pm to
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A time-sert will probably work


HeliCoil has been the go-to for many a mechanic over the years to fix a stripped bolt hole.

Time_cert seems to be a new product(I guess).

Decisions decisions.
Posted by TigerHornII
Member since Feb 2021
1154 posts
Posted on 8/30/24 at 11:28 pm to
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Yeah, bummer dude. Its an aluminum transmission so I don't think I can put a Heli-Coil insert in it.


Did you know that Heli-coils were more or less invented for use in aluminum? Aerospace applications used to be full of them straight off the production line.

There are better modern options though, maybe something like a Keensert?

Either will be stronger than the original threads were.
Posted by Reubaltaich
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Member since Jun 2006
5336 posts
Posted on 9/1/24 at 9:22 am to
quote:

Did you know that Heli-coils were more or less invented for use in aluminum? Aerospace applications used to be full of them straight off the production line. There are better modern options though, maybe something like a Keensert? Either will be stronger than the original threads were.


Gotcha. Thanks for the advice.

Stopped off at NAPA and purchased a HeliCoil kit.

Next step after this is to see what the transmission is gonna take.

No way am I gonna try to rebuild it myself.
Posted by Reubaltaich
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Member since Jun 2006
5336 posts
Posted on 9/14/24 at 11:37 am to
UPDATE:

Finally got the clutch, flywheel and clutch slave reinstalled. Bled the lines and took her for a spin.

Transmission shifts great now.

Pilot bearing/bushing was cracked and chipped. That was the issue.

Thanks again to the OT mechanics.
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