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re: On this day 157 years ago, William T. Sherman presented Savannah, GA to Lincoln...
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:44 pm to SCLibertarian
Posted on 12/22/21 at 5:44 pm to SCLibertarian
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You ever read Lysander Spooner?
I haven’t read him first-hand but am familiar with him and his views from secondary accounts, both austrolibertarian and Southerners (or their defenders).
It’s really exciting to be from the South, and to come to find libertarianism persuasive as a political philosophy, and then discover the implications of that philosophy with regards to the South, because I’ve always loved living in the South but like I said, the history of the South has always been treated like something so shameful that it shouldn’t even be talked about, and while some things were shameful, there’s also some things worthy of praise and consideration about the South.
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:11 pm to geauxtigers87
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Sherman putting the rebel scum in their place.
They fricked around and found out.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:51 pm to Sip_Tyga
The South brought great music to the world.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:45 pm to RollTide1987
Bastard knew how to wage war.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:25 pm to Perrin Aybara
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You're right. I think Sherman was wrong to burn his way to Atlanta. The war should have been fought more politely by dragging on for a few more years and killing a few hundred thousand more people.
I haven't even mentioned the South. I have only brought attention to this homicidal maniac trying to commit genocide on entire tribes of Native Americans. If you think Sherman was a hero, frick you and your bigoted and hateful self.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:34 pm to HeadSlash
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Bastard knew how to wage war.
Ohio grows generals, astronauts and football coaches. Grant was also from Ohio.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:39 pm to Landmass
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I haven't even mentioned the South. I have only brought attention to this homicidal maniac trying to commit genocide on entire tribes of Native Americans. If you think Sherman was a hero, frick you and your bigoted and hateful self.
Oh for Christ's sake.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:25 pm to Landmass
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I haven't even mentioned the South. I have only brought attention to this homicidal maniac trying to commit genocide on entire tribes of Native Americans. If you think Sherman was a hero, frick you and your bigoted and hateful self.
I'm sure you came from one of those households in Mississippi where there were portraits of Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, and Jefferson Davis hanging over the fireplace.
You are so mad right now about a guy who died over 130 years ago and it's freaking glorious.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:29 pm to FreeState
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am not sure Sherman was a Freemason.
Yeah i dont know for sure. I guess i kinda just like that theory. Not sure why else Savannah was spared. It's said that Sherman really liked the place, but I'm not exactly sure why.
Any ideas?
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:11 pm to RollTide1987
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I'm sure you came from one of those households in Mississippi where there were portraits of Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee, and Jefferson Davis hanging over the fireplace
Good lord you are a self-loathing Southerner.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:24 pm to SCLibertarian
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Good lord you are a self-loathing Southerner.
My apologies for not identifying with men who, 160+ years removed, are nothing like me. I respect the fact that I had ancestors who fought on the Confederate side of the conflict. But that's as far as my love for the Confederacy will ever go. They fought against the United States, a country that I love and that I proudly serve. And they did so for economic reasons that, while people will argue differently until they're blue in the face, involved keeping people of a different race in bondage.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:46 am to RollTide1987
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My apologies for not identifying with men who, 160+ years removed, are nothing like me. I respect the fact that I had ancestors who fought on the Confederate side of the conflict. But that's as far as my love for the Confederacy will ever go. They fought against the United States, a country that I love and that I proudly serve. And they did so for economic reasons that, while people will argue differently until they're blue in the face, involved keeping people of a different race in bondage.
I think there will always be quibbles about certain details and interpretation of events, but a lot of this seems like a matter of sentiment. The South had slavery up through the war and slavery was bad, but I consider the United States to have its sins, yet if someone asked how I could possibly be sympathetic to the US with some of the things it’s done and is still doing I would kind of just shrug my shoulders and say yea I don’t condone everything, but it’s mine and I’ll defend the worthy aspects of it.
I think the fundamental issue with slavery was that it wasn’t consensual, yet the South’s relationship to the North wasn’t consensual in 1860 and beyond. Perhaps it was some cosmic justice that a people holding another people in bondage were themselves held in bondage, but then so much for the ethic of consent if that was the issue with slavery, which it ought to have been. So, I maintain that slavery and the war were both evils committed because they weren’t consensual, but I don’t feel the need to denounce anything more than those particular acts. I really don’t even mind Union war tactic apologetics. The only way to get the full story is to hear out sympathizers. But the South just is defensible on certain points, and people should make peace with that too.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 12:59 am to SemiNoblePursuit
frick you guy
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:02 am to RollTide1987
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William T. Sherman
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:03 am to RollTide1987
The csa wasn’t exterminating millions of people chief.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:53 am to RollTide1987
At the time , I believe Sherman thought he was fighting for the good side.
But ultimately it’s led to career politicians making millions off of us, stupid arse wars wasting millions, an absurdly powerful federal government.
But ultimately it’s led to career politicians making millions off of us, stupid arse wars wasting millions, an absurdly powerful federal government.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:54 am to tigersownall
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The csa wasn’t exterminating millions of people chief.
The only side in the extermination business was the Union post-Civil War. No more Southerners to kill, so they turned their guns westward.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:59 am to tigersownall
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The csa wasn’t exterminating millions of people chief.
No, they were just enslaving millions of people. Their sole existence was predicated on the ability to do that very thing in perpetuity.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:20 am to RollTide1987
Late to this party, but an interesting vignette about Sherman’s March. At the vanguard escorting Sherman? The 1st Alabama Cavalry. Mostly raised from the mountainous areas in Northern Alabama. Their existence an inconvenience to the myth that the South was united.
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