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On this date 155 years ago....

Posted on 5/4/19 at 3:17 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71720 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 3:17 pm
On May 4, 1864 - 155 years ago today - the thing gets going.

The Army of the Potomac, nearly 125,000-strong, crosses the Rapidan River at three separate points. From nearby Clark Mountain, Robert E. Lee watched as the massive Union juggernaut crossed the river and attempted to get around his right flank. He immediately sent orders out to his two closest units - the corps under the command of Richard Ewell and A.P. Hill - to move with all possible speed to intercept the Union army before it got into their rear. Orders also went out to James Longstreet's corps, still some distance away, to make for the old Chancellorsville battlefield where Lee hoped to engage Grant and Meade.

Movements on May 4, 1864


The Union host descending below the Rapidan River was one of the most imposing forces seen in military history up to that point in time. Organized into three separate corps and under the overall command of George G. Meade, their objectives for May 4 was to get everyone across the river and through the area known locally as the Wilderness. This was a dense area of near-impenetrable forest that limited the Union army's advantages in artillery and cavalry. Both Grant and Meade knew the Army of the Potomac would be vulnerable to attack in this part of Virginia.

The first mistake of the campaign occurred at the outset. Meade had planned on getting his army through the Wilderness before sunset on the evening of May 4. The massive Union supply train - which could have stretched from the Rapidan River all the way down to the city of Richmond itself - had fallen behind the advance of the army. Meade insisted to Grant that the army halt to give their supply train a chance to catch up. Grant knew it was a gamble to call a halt in the Wilderness but mistakenly calculated that Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia could not move fast enough to intercept them before they were out of the dense thickets and in the open country.

Grant reluctantly agreed with Meade's decision to halt the advance around the Wilderness Tavern. This gave Lee the opportunity he needed to catch the Union army at a massive disadvantage. His force of 65,000 men moved quickly and silently eastward toward the Wilderness. The Union host was not aware of Lee's hasty advance due to the fact that Meade had failed to provide an adequate cavalry screen for his army. Both Meade and Grant were confident that they could encamp for the night and move south out of the Wilderness before Lee could intercept them.

Thus the stage was set for the bloody battle to begin on the morning of May 5.
Posted by ForLSU56
Rapides Parish
Member since Feb 2015
5582 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 4:14 pm to
Most estimates put the casualties between 90,000 - 100,000. What a waste.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85485 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

Most estimates put the casualties between 90,000 - 100,000. What a waste.


But actual killed was much much fewer, right? Casualties include wounded?
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76135 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 4:18 pm to
That’s a scary battleground.

It’s one of the few that I’ve actually had the heeby-jeebies at.

Hell on Earth.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 4:19 pm to
Chills. One of the least mentioned battles of the great ones.
Posted by sugar71
NOLA
Member since Jun 2012
9967 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 6:47 pm to
quote:

Most estimates put the casualties between 90,000 - 100,000. What a waste.



I agree. Davis & Lee should have been hanged for treason.
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21806 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 6:50 pm to
History is racist, take it down.

REEEEEEEEEE!!!
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
24638 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 8:07 pm to
Just awful ground for fighting. Solid strategy, poor execution as per usual from Grant/Meade.

As far as the decision to halt, what were they supposed to do at that point though? You cant just hand Lee your wagon train even if means you keep ahead of Lee's vanguard.

The mistake was getting into that situation in the first place, not halting for the night IMO.

As far as battlefields I wouldn't want to be trying to coordinate troop movements, Chancellorsville/Wilderness, Chickamauga and Shiloh are pretty high on the list. Terrible maps, zero visibility in many areas and horrible roads.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 8:24 pm to
You have either been to CGSC or at least have a good military history background.

Upvote for you (and the OP) sir.
Posted by Vacherie
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2017
466 posts
Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:14 pm to
Good post man. This is one of the reasons why I love TDs.
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