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re: On the back side of Alligator Bayou...Parish ordered evacuation (Aug 15th)

Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:43 pm to
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:43 pm to
Thanks!
Posted by BamaFanInTigerland
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2009
787 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:45 pm to
quote:

Alligator/Manchac was 12.73' @ 9p. (.36"/hr)
Bluff Swamp was 12.76'@ 9p. (.36"/hr)


Alligator/Manchac was 12.75' @ 10p. (.24"/hr)
Bluff Swamp was 12.78'@ 10p. (.24"/hr)

Quarter inch drop at Bayou Fountain (15.02').

Welsh Gully down 1.08" & Manchac down 1.32"

Ward climbed another 9". Dawson 1.5".

Edit: Updated Manchac rate.
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 10:51 pm
Posted by p15r
Member since Aug 2016
8 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

Why are Ward & Dawson still rising when everything else is falling back to pre-rain pace? And I mean RISING DC up 9", WC up almost 1.5 FEET since the rain. Is it still raining there?


We're seeing this because Dawson and Ward are headwater/upstream gauges. They are much more sensitive to the effects of flash flooding. The downstream gauges are many miles away and will not show flash flooding effects because they measure the stage of a much larger body of water.

The effects of the rain tonight will be to prolong the backflow of bayou manchac across I-10 into the Alligator Bayou/Bluff Swamp/Spanish Lake area. That extra water on that side of I-10, will also cause more Bayou Fountain flooding.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:58 pm to
Can't wait to see a negative number in those 2nd parentheses.

Taking my sore back and prayers to the bed. Y'all stay dry tonight and keep up the hard work.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

We're seeing this because Dawson and Ward are headwater/upstream gauges. They are much more sensitive to the effects of flash flooding. The downstream gauges are many miles away and will not show flash flooding effects because they measure the stage of a much larger body of water.
Dammit I almost said that shite! lol. But I was confused why they kept rising after the rain. One big, quick rise woulda made more sense to me
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:03 pm to
But once the Amite drops below the level of Manchac, does it matter what those 3 little shits are doing?
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
78345 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:04 pm to
I think Oak Alley Dr. homes are gonna be just fine. Maybe the ones near 74 on Oak Fields could see higher water in yards, but not close to home.
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 11:04 pm
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

I think Oak Alley Dr. homes are gonna be just fine. Maybe the ones near 74 on Oak Fields could see higher water in yards, but not close to home.

Oh NOOOOW, you're confident
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:07 pm to
quote:

But once the Amite drops below the level of Manchac, does it matter what those 3 little shits are doing?


Not instantaneously. As long as there is water in Bayou Manchac that is higher than the swamp/road, water will still flow that way too, but when the Amite is sucking water at the same time, it won't take long for the overflow to cease.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:09 pm to
quote:

Not instantaneously. As long as there is water in Bayou Manchac that is higher than the swamp/road, water will still flow that way too, but when the Amite is sucking water at the same time, it won't take long for the overflow to cease.

Oh no, I know that. Just saying
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:09 pm to
quote:

Dammit I almost said that shite! lol. But I was confused why they kept rising after the rain. One big, quick rise woulda made more sense to me



Well A) they are usually an hour behind with the gages and realtime, and B) water continues to flow into them from drains and what not well after the rain stops. It is the same reason the crest of the Amite River takes 3 days to get from Denham Springs and French Settlement.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:10 pm to
The reason I asked is cause the Amite is dropping pretty fast. Bout 1.5"/hr
Posted by BamaFanInTigerland
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2009
787 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:34 pm to
quote:

Alligator/Manchac was 12.75' @ 10p. (.24"/hr)
Bluff Swamp was 12.78'@ 10p. (.24"/hr)

Alligator/Manchac was 12.76' @ 11p. (.12"/hr)
Bluff Swamp was 12.8'@ 11p. (.24"/hr)

Dawson down .6" (17.4')
Ward down 3.36" (17.08')
Fountain down .24" (15')
Welsh down 1.24" (13.85')
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:39 pm to
welsh is an amite reading isn't it?

3 little shits getting with the program
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 11:40 pm
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:41 pm to
You ready for this? i'm predicting that the Amite drops below Alligator Bayou somewhere between 7-8p tomorrow night
Posted by LSUaFOOL
Jackson, La
Member since Jan 2008
1864 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:45 pm to
That rain hurt back of Ridge. I've had a 4" rise since 6pm today.
Posted by p15r
Member since Aug 2016
8 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:55 pm to
quote:

The reason I asked is cause the Amite is dropping pretty fast. Bout 1.5"/hr


Because tonight's rain will push more water down Ward Creek, that new water will reinforce pressure toward Spanish Lake. If Spanish Lake continues to fill for hours longer than it would have because of the extra pressure from Ward Creek, water will get into more houses in Ascension. If water from Bayou Fountain is prevented from crossing I-10 for another day because of that Bayou Manchac backflow, and we have another storm like tonight, then more upstream areas around Bayou Fountain will be affected.

Most of the water will exit through the Amite eventually, but the time it takes and the rain events that can happen during that time are important to the people who haven't been hit yet. For example, the upper Bayou Fountain area has dodged a bullet so far. If Spanish Lake is full and Ward Creek keeps getting replenished by daily rains, Bayou Fountain is going to go higher than it is now.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:55 pm to
frick man. That's puts ya at what? 4" of wiggle?
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16167 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:00 am to
Makes sense. I did the math...with no external factors that my ignorant arse isn't accounting for & maintaining their current paces, the Amite & bayou Manchac will be equal by about 7-8p. Did I waste my time? Lol
Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:05 am to
Regarding school....

When salmen high got destroyed in Katrina, they made an arrangement with northshore high, since northshore high did not have any damage. Northshore high students went from like 6am to noon and salmen high students went from like 1pm to 7pm. Since some teachers were not able to come back right away, some NHS teachers ended up teaching SHS students and vice versa.

I wonder if the same type of arrangement will be made in Ascension.
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