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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:46 am to
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:46 am to
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I think the US has a real good idea of where the plane is but is allowing Malaysia to appear to be in control of the investigation.


Wasn't the US searching the Indian Ocean?
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:48 am to
Still are I would think
Posted by Porky
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:49 am to
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Why is avoiding many different countries radar systems more plausible than a pilot debating suicide?


Because most people want to live rather than die.


Posted by GeeOH
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:49 am to
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They sure do appear to know a lot in a short period of time about something they can't even seem to find.



They probably say "pre programmed" because of the exact turns going straight for the next point type stuff. Maybe everything involved (engine power) etc was all done perfectly.

Tactical evasion maneuvers could mean anything from all the turns they made to evade radars that were operating at night, turning off transponders, height, speed..could mean anything

But at this point, just imagine how much information they KNOW compared to what anyone may "leak" to the press.

IF someone is embarrassed, you don't think that government could "plant" information in his at-home flight simulator to put more blame on the pilot and less on the government of that country?

We will be led to believe certain things and will never know the whole truth about this.

Even IF it were rogue pilots, there are still so many huge systematic failures and holes in the overseeing of air space that had to happen for this to work, it is scary laughable how unsafe foreign travel really is.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:49 am to
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Why is avoiding many different countries radar systems more plausible than a pilot debating suicide?



BC the data supports it.

If the pilot wanted to solely commit suicide, why go through everything that has apparently taken place?

1) Take out the other pilot
2) Crash the plane

Theres no reason to shut off transponders or make the maneuvers they did. You take it straight down and end it.
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:50 am to
I think there was a shite ton of gold on the plane, and It's been hijacked and landed somewhere. They are offloading the gold and getting far far far away from the plane.

It could be that the passengers and plane will soon be freed somewhere after the thieves are done.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:50 am to
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The gold angle is pure bullshite.


Yep.
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:51 am to


Dammit
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:54 am to
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I think there was a shite ton of gold on the plane


Ok, so if there was then they had an inside person that gave them months notice of it being shipped on that exact flight. Very very very doubtful...

Additionally, the younger pilot was just promoted to 777 cockpit, he wouldn't have know that in time.

Thirdly, both of these men lived very extravagant lives from what is being reported. They made a ton of money and lived it. Why give up a great life solely for $$$. So you go from doing what you want with no worries to now having a little more money that you really can't do shite with? You'll be in hiding the rest of your life.

I think the only logical explanation is it was an act base on their religious beliefs. i.e.. Terrorism
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 9:55 am
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:55 am to
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The gold angle is pure bullshite.

This hijacking would have taken months of prep and had to of been at the perfect time of night. So if it was a gold heist, the hijackers just sat back and waited for the exact time when a gold shipment would be on board?

1) Would have been pure coincidence that the pilot(s) involved would have been on that flight
2) How would they know in advance what flight the gold would be on
3) If others were involved, they would have needed notice to buy tickets on flight, get to that airport, etc...



I see what you're saying, but terrorists spent years and years planning 911. For 20tons of gold, I would think that people could plan way in advance for something like that.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:55 am to
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BC the data supports it.


What data?

Malaysian radar picked up the plane but no other country in southern/ Central Asia did? That may be the reason some US officials presumed the plane to have crashed in the southern part of the Indian Ocean.
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:56 am to
But, what if the pilots weren't part of the plan.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:57 am to
If you had 20 tons of gold would you try to hijack a plane to get it somewhere or use a ship and be as inconspicuous as possible?
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:58 am to
Hijack the plane, land somewhere safe and then use a ship to move the gold.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 9:59 am to
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For 20tons of gold, I would think that people could plan way in advance for something like that.


But again, I highly doubt the pilots know the content of the cargo hold... I could be wrong.

Also, security wise, I seriously doubt an armored car company is going to transport that amount of gold to an airport at midnight... Their own security protocols would likely ban it.


Again, if both pilots are involved, they likely knew as soon as the younger got promoted to 777 flights that he would be on the same routes with the more sr pilot. They just waited until he was promoted and carried it out.


The only way I would give credence to the gold angle would be if it was a continuously scheduled gold shipment that they became aware of. But a completely random shipment, no fricking way.
Posted by Porky
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:00 am to
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We will be led to believe certain things and will never know the whole truth about this.

Perhaps some people are conspiring...
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:00 am to
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Malaysian radar picked up the plane but no other country in southern/ Central Asia did? That may be the reason some US officials presumed the plane to have crashed in the southern part of the Indian Ocean.


Rolls Royce Data
Random Blips on the radar following the wayward points
No evidence whatsoever that the flight went down when the lost contact (Which if a suicide mission is where it would take place)

Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:01 am to
Saw draw as much attention as possible instead of using a method that has a much higher chance of success
Posted by RebelOP
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:03 am to
I understand, i'm not trying to prove the gold theory. I just think that it's completely possible that 20 tons (800 + Billion dollars worth) and known terrorists/pirates could pull off a stunt like this. It is some James Bond/Spy novel shite, but I don't see it being completely out of the question.

I do think, if it were a heist they obviously land the plan, and move the gold as fast as they can. While the search for them continues they have enough time to get away from the situation.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 3/16/14 at 10:05 am to
The rolls Royce data only shows the distance from the satellite it pinged off in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean...no directional data at all. The last directional data was detected by Malaysian military radar. So either the plane turned south heading towards areas w/o radar or went north towards countries that apparently are even more inept than Malaysia. I am going with the southern route.
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