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re: Nurses at University Medical Center vote to unionize, a Louisiana first
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:31 pm to Nynna11
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:31 pm to Nynna11
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So many of you guys don’t realize that many of nurses’ complaints are not about the money, but about the cost cutting that hospitals do that affects patient and staff safety. There is no way to provide safe and effective care for patients with the staffing models that most corporate owned hospitals impose. And then when bad things happen, because ancillary staff cannot be supervised adequately or there is not enough qualified staff, guess who the scapegoat is….the registered nurse. As an RN hospital supervisor, I can assure you that all levels of nursing staff are asked to do more than is safely possible. And I have witnessed this at many hospitals across the country. My sick family members are never left alone in a hospital without another family member as an advocate. Something has to change and the answer is not socialized medicine.
I think your problem is more so govt with regulation, which causes these problems. There’s a lot of shite nurses could do and should be allowed to do but that’s also gatekeeping by the industry to protect salaries and jobs so any regular shmo can’t walk in and be a nurse.
Again, it’s a different beast and this topic goes off subject very quickly because of the variables involved in healthcare economics.
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:32 pm to fightin tigers
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Like forcing a nurse to take a vacation day because they didn't have a census to keep the nurse for the night scheduled weeks in advance. Hospitals being ok with paying their inflated boards less would be a start.
Exactly, and I could go on and on…
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:32 pm to DiamondDog
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Dismiss anyone who prefers to unionize. Hire replacements.
This guy has zero knowledge how basic labor laws work lol.
Jokingly say something like this at your job, and HR will have your azz fired before you finish laughing.
Note: I’ve seen it happen.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:32 pm to TDTOM
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Class envy is not a good look.
I think Marie Antoinette said that.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:32 pm to Nynna11
quote:This x 1000!
So many of you guys don’t realize that many of nurses’ complaints are not about the money, but about the cost cutting that hospitals do that affects patient and staff safety.
There is no way to provide safe and effective care for patients with the staffing models that most corporate owned hospitals impose. And then when bad things happen, because ancillary staff cannot be supervised adequately or there is not enough qualified staff, guess who the scapegoat is….the registered nurse. As an RN hospital supervisor, I can assure you that all levels of nursing staff are asked to do more than is safely possible. And I have witnessed this at many hospitals across the country. My sick family members are never left alone in a hospital without another family member as an advocate. Something has to change and the answer is not socialized medicine.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:33 pm to achenator
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I have a friend that lives in Dallas who is high in hospital admininistration. Lives in a $3mm house with $2mm in cars in the garage but nurses wanting to have better working conditions is the problem?
I’d assume that guy worked hard and is rewarded for his past roles, performance, and credentials.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:34 pm to Nynna11
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Exactly, and I could go on and on…
When I saw that happen I openly laughed and said "tell them to go frick themselves"
Went back and worked for 3x's as much hourly rate for the same job as a contractor. But the hospital paid it because it isn't an audited metric for investors. Brilliant business decision by the hospital. Braindead people in this thread support the hospital decision thar brings higher prices to the business and consumer.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:35 pm to Nynna11
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I can assure you that all levels of nursing staff are asked to do more than is safely possible.
100% agree.
But one of the benefits of a union is worker protection. If you think you will be a scapegoat, you want that protection that a union can provide.
So it is not just about the patients.
And that’s ok, worker protection yes can be abused but it also should not be dismissed.
Remember, these sane employers were forcing employees to get the Covid shot.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:37 pm to TDTOM
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Class envy is not a good look.
But wanting to improve one’s own financial situation is absolutely a good look.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:39 pm to momentoftruth87
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I’d assume that guy worked hard and is rewarded for his past roles, performance, and credentials
Or maybe his dad is frat bro with the CEO.
Can you honestly tell me that the average hospital is run that well?
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
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But one of the benefits of a union is worker protection. If you think you will be a scapegoat, you want that protection that a union can provide.
Yes,
That’s exactly what I’m saying. I want that protection for me as an RN, for my staff, and to be able to provide the safe staffing that my patients rely on.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:44 pm to Nynna11
Make sure you scan that medicine bar code each step of the way, for all of your patients.
We know the wifi is shite but we are timing you, and this board member has a $2MM car collection to maintain and it won't happen with you pocketing Advil we marked up 10x the amount. Please think of the board member.
Did you just miss that bed alarm? Please fill out a report on that. The patient is a known risk, but if we have to get restraints it really is a lot of paperwork and another person on the floor. That is almost $100 a night. Think of the board member.
We know the wifi is shite but we are timing you, and this board member has a $2MM car collection to maintain and it won't happen with you pocketing Advil we marked up 10x the amount. Please think of the board member.
Did you just miss that bed alarm? Please fill out a report on that. The patient is a known risk, but if we have to get restraints it really is a lot of paperwork and another person on the floor. That is almost $100 a night. Think of the board member.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:46 pm to Nynna11
Well I want protection as a patient that my Union nurse is not still employed because of “rules”
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:47 pm to Thecoz
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Well I want protection as a patient that my Union nurse is not still employed because of “rules”
HR rules are way more lax than any union rule. Sleep tight.
Anytime a union wants to discipline its own, the person runs to HR and gets protection.
This post was edited on 12/11/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Or maybe his dad is frat bro with the CEO.
You didn’t say that and I did say, “I’d assume”. Right?
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Can you honestly tell me that the average hospital is run that well?
Most are a shite show. It also correlates that entry level nurses are also part of the problem which is my argument. Right?
Again, I’m not saying all are and not trying to diminish anyone who helps others or works in terrible conditions. I also think most don’t get paid worth a shite, but I do not like unions.
This place unionizing will hopefully help as it sounds bad, but do you think it won’t come without costs? Who will be paying for that?? Patients and tax payers…
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:49 pm to John88
I remember nurses in NYC being unionized. Patient with fever at 2 am, ask them to draw CBC and blood cultures x 2. They wouldn’t draw it. “Not in their job description, that’s a phlebotomist job.” Good luck to LSUMC in New Orleans recruiting quality residents if the nurses there follow suit.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:53 pm to John88
I’ve been in the same union for 13 years. Good for them.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:57 pm to momentoftruth87
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but do you think it won’t come without costs? Who will be paying for that?? Patients and tax payers
The economics of healthcare at this point are so out of control and lack any level of transparency, that I honestly have no idea what level of impact it will have.
Will it have some impact? Yes. If it ads a couple of points into healthcare inflation, I’m not sure you could really tell.., 16 vs 14? Meh
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:58 pm to Ric Flair
I think that’s truly the issue. Who would want to be a doctor these days? Go through all that school to be told what to do, have tons of debt, work their arse off all the time and get sued to lose everything.
I know my local clinic, non VA, suffers because they can’t find doctors. Probably the reason others are working in these “terrible conditions” or so hard. frick at the VA I have a new doctor every year at my annual health assessment because they all leave.
I know my local clinic, non VA, suffers because they can’t find doctors. Probably the reason others are working in these “terrible conditions” or so hard. frick at the VA I have a new doctor every year at my annual health assessment because they all leave.
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:59 pm to John88
Good to see so many people hate the working class.
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