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re: NOLA named 4th least competitive job market in US

Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:42 pm to
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and have Southwest pushed out to BTR


frickkkkkk no
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:43 pm to
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yeah, but it's not affecting the culture of cities that didn't have one to begin with...



The people crying in those cities will disagree.

Go ahead and google it.
Posted by member12
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:44 pm to
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frickkkkkk no


If Frontier opened a hub at MSY, they'd likely be monopolizing as many gates as they could and pushing competitors out. You'd get non-stops to pretty much everywhere out of MSY, but only basic service with competing airlines....which would certainly push a direct competitor like Southwest to either BTR or Lakefront or both.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 2:46 pm
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:44 pm to
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and have Southwest pushed out to BTR


Why on earth would you do that? Southwest has a ton of flights in and out of Nola.
Posted by ellishughtiger
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:44 pm to
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and have Southwest pushed out to BTR



frickkkkkk no




I agree. Push out US Airways or Jet Blue. Southwest is the only reason why I like that airport.

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:45 pm to
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Virgin airliner doing Non-stop flights to London.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 2:46 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:46 pm to
Lakefront can't even handle passenger jets...
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33035 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:48 pm to
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I agree. Push out US Airways or Jet Blue. Southwest is the only reason why I like that airport.



Hub service is desired because it offers the host city non-stop flights to a huge number of destinations...the drawback is that it almost always means that the gates (and much of the O-D traffic) are monopolized by the home carrier.

A Frontier hub in New Orleans would actually be very good for the city, and I'm simply pointing out that the ancillary benefit of Southwest being pushed out to BTR isn't a bad one for the region. I'm sure no one in Baton Rouge or Lafayette would complain about having the option of going directly to Europe from MSY.


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Lakefront can't even handle passenger jets...


It doesn't currently handle passenger jets. It started out as New Orleans's primary airport, handling passenger service to all over the place before MSY was constructed. They have a 6800 ft runway. I think that's longer than any runway at Chicago's midway airport.

It wouldn't take much investment for them to open a few gates for Spirit or Southwest if Frontier wanted to setup a fortress hub at MSY.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40531 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:50 pm to
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but if the BR/NOLA commuter train comes through


Jesus christ, anything but this boondoggle
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40531 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:52 pm to
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I agree. Push out US Airways or Jet Blue. Southwest is the only reason why I like that airport.



US Airways doesn't exist any more bruh
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69199 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:55 pm to
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but if the BR/NOLA commuter train comes through


Jesus christ, anything but this boondoggle


You don't want to be able to hop on the streetcar in Uptown and go to an LSU game? I can understand people objecting to the cost, but not to the utility.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40531 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 2:58 pm to
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I can understand people objecting to the cost,


It is a guaranteed money loser.

Go check out how Los Angeles is planning theirs. They have barely even started the thing (or not) and its budget is ballooning every day. Good luck in our LA.

There are about 1,000 different things we need before this waste of money. You listed some in another post.

You can count on one hand the number of profitable passenger rail lines in the world. Shanghai has millions of people and their Maglev from the airport loses money. I just wish people would give up on romanticizing this fantasy.
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 3:01 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69199 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:02 pm to
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You can count on one hand the number of profitable passenger rail lines in the world.


How many profitable highways are there?
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11014 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:02 pm to
It would be a huge mistake to push out Southwest for possibly the shittiest airline in the US. I'd rather fly two bags free, no change fees, and some international destinations then anything frontier has to offer.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40531 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:05 pm to
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How many profitable highways are there?





Really man? Really?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69199 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:07 pm to
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Really man? Really?


Well, let's look at it this way:
The state is starving for highway money which the feds refuse to give us, but they're offering us rail money. Louisiana's citizens refuse to allow them to build any toll roads, so it makes sense. If you can't be with the one you love honey, love the one you're with. Take the rail money to give people another transportation option since the feds refuse to pony up enough money to fix the highways.

It's like being a teenager who's going to Popeye's with his parents and ordering the 2 piece white spicy, but they're out of white meat, but they do have dark meat. His family is eating there, so it's either eat on their dime there or eat nothing since he can't afford to go elsewhere for lunch. If this were you, would you say f&%k it!, walk out, and get nothing, or do you eat the dark meat daddy offers to buy you?
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 3:12 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40531 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:09 pm to
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Well, let's look at it this way:
The state is starving for highway money which the feds refuse to give us, but they're offering us rail money. Louisiana's citizens refuse to allow them to build any toll roads, so it makes sense. If you can't be with the one you love honey, love the one you're with. Take the rail money to give people another transportation option since the feds refuse to pony up enough money to fix the highways.


So, your answer to the problem above is.

let's build something that has less demand for it that will lose more money over the long haul and cost taxpayers more money because we can't get funding for Alternative A?

Really? C'mon man
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69199 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:13 pm to
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let's build something that has less demand for it that will lose more money over the long haul and cost taxpayers more money because we can't get funding for Alternative A?


Actually, yes. Because B will help reduce demand on A and give people more options. It will also be a huge resource for evacuations.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40531 posts
Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:15 pm to
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give people more options.


An option they don't even want.

I feel like rail proponents should go on Shark Tank. You aren't going to create demand for this rail line.

The rest of the planet has already tried, 99% has failed, but you know, South LA, the bastion of above board politics is going to get it right.

Please man, this is reality here.

Posted by ellishughtiger
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:17 pm to
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The rest of the planet has already tried, 99% has failed,


All those rail systems across Europe and the NE US, huge failures, let me tell you...
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