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re: New baby on the way - Whooping Cough vaccine

Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:34 pm to
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68695 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:34 pm to
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Tetanus is far and away the most common of the 3, right? I assume that's why. Most people that are getting a "tetanus shot" have a compromised wound at risk of tetanus.


Well from a quick glance there is one with 2 (td) and one with 3(tdap) and you need a boost every 10 years.

So you aren’t necessarily getting it because you cut yourself. But because it’s been so long since you had one.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13499 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:38 pm to
I had all my family take all real vaccines.

Covid shot was NOT a real vaccine I’m advocating no Covid boosters.

Now I’m not a doctor, and I don’t even play one on TV.

But with the anti-vaxers and unvaccinated illegal aliens crashing the border, I would not count on heard immunity.

Do your research on autism. I’m not a believer in it’s linkage with real vaccines. But it’s your family.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171037 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:39 pm to
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Covid shot was NOT a real vaccine
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Now I’m not a doctor, and I don’t even play one on TV.
Posted by St Stooge
Member since Feb 2017
298 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:40 pm to
Please don’t procreate.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40139 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:45 pm to
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the evidence says that the Covid measures, including the vaccine, saved hundreds of thousands of lives


I will accept proof via a single peer reviewed study published after 06/01/2022.

...good luck.


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Based on official reported COVID-19 deaths, we estimated that vaccinations prevented 14·4 million (95% credible interval [Crl] 13·7–15·9) deaths from COVID-19 in 185 countries and territories between Dec 8, 2020, and Dec 8, 2021. This estimate rose to 19·8 million (95% Crl 19·1–20·4) deaths from COVID-19 averted when we used excess deaths as an estimate of the true extent of the pandemic, representing a global reduction of 63% in total deaths (19·8 million of 31·4 million) during the first year of COVID-19 vaccination. In COVAX Advance Market Commitment countries, we estimated that 41% of excess mortality (7·4 million [95% Crl 6·8–7·7] of 17·9 million deaths) was averted. In low-income countries, we estimated that an additional 45% (95% CrI 42–49) of deaths could have been averted had the 20% vaccination coverage target set by COVAX been met by each country, and that an additional 111% (105–118) of deaths could have been averted had the 40% target set by WHO been met by each country by the end of 2021.
6/23/2022

Your request has been fulfilled. Now please admit that you are an idiot and begin eating your crow.
Posted by St Stooge
Member since Feb 2017
298 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:46 pm to
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did our research


Explain your research.
Posted by jyoung1
Lafayette
Member since May 2010
2123 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 4:58 pm to
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40139 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:01 pm to
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Does Dr. Paul Vaccine have a Plan to protect your child from the hundreds of thousands of illegals pouring into the US from high-risk countries; adults and children that have never been vaccinated?

Illegals crossing the border is not anything new, yet there aren't any recorded cases of polio in the US. It is more likely for my child to get polio from the vaccinethan from another person, so we chose the option with lower risk.


You are incorrect. It is not more likely for your child to get polio from the vaccine than get it from someone else. Let me explain why.

It was the oral trivalent polio vaccine (protected against wild types 1,2, and 3) that could potentially cause polio in children. That was because the attenuated wild type 2 variant of the polio virus could recombine and have genetic reversal and cause polio. The wild type 2 variant virus went extent in the 1990s. The WHO recommended switched from a trivalent oral polio vaccine to a bivalent oral polio vaccine in 2016 and oral trivalent vaccines are no longer produced. Inactivated polio vaccines (IPVs) as the name suggest are made of inactivated viruses so it is not possible for the viral genetic material to recombine. The USA switched to IPV only in the year 2000.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:04 pm to
Get the vaccines you dim moron.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27430 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:07 pm to
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6/23/2022

Your request has been fulfilled. Now please admit that you are an idiot and begin eating your crow.


Unfortunately for you, you picked a guy whose original academic focus was research methodology and experimental design to argue with.

The first thing to look for is bias (in this case, funding).

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Funding

Schmidt Science Fellowship in partnership with the Rhodes Trust; WHO; UK Medical Research Council; Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance; Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; National Institute for Health Research; and Community Jameel.




Do any of those funding sources have a vested interest in a certain result?

The second item to look for in their summary of methodology is normative factors.

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quote:
Based on official reported COVID-19 deaths, we estimated that vaccinations prevented 14·4 million (95% credible interval [Crl] 13·7–15·9) deaths from COVID-19 in 185 countries and territories between Dec 8, 2020, and Dec 8, 2021. This estimate rose to 19·8 million (95% Crl 19·1–20·4) deaths from COVID-19 averted when we used excess deaths as an estimate of the true extent of the pandemic, representing a global reduction of 63% in total deaths (19·8 million of 31·4 million) during the first year of COVID-19 vaccination. In COVAX Advance Market Commitment countries, we estimated that 41% of excess mortality (7·4 million [95% Crl 6·8–7·7] of 17·9 million deaths) was averted. In low-income countries, we estimated that an additional 45% (95% CrI 42–49) of deaths could have been averted had the 20% vaccination coverage target set by COVAX been met by each country, and that an additional 111% (105–118) of deaths could have been averted had the 40% target set by WHO been met by each country by the end of 2021.


This is pathetic.

You don't make estimations of your data to support conclusions.

Data are absolute.

Data are to be measured without expectation.

Data are not to be manipulated/confined to certain data sets to support certain conclusions.

In short, your chosen published work has failed the most basic scientific standard.



My previous post was bait; you were simply foolish enough to take it.
Posted by jyoung1
Lafayette
Member since May 2010
2123 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:07 pm to
Fair enough but it is still more likely my child would get autism or other brain damage from ingredients in vaccine than polio which is basically impossible to catch in US.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40139 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:08 pm to
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Unfortunately for you, you picked a guy whose original academic focus was research methodology and experimental design to argue with.



Academics should never argue with real doctors.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24607 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:09 pm to
Polio is gonna make a come back because of Qanon people isn’t it
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27430 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:12 pm to
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Academics should never argue with real doctors.


Medical doctors should realize their gold star puts them on the same level as a pharmacist in the majority of the world.

I have no problem with actual vaccines.

I have a problem with terrible statistical analysis and data manipulation in the hopes of proving a poorly conceived hypothesis.
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 5:24 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:12 pm to
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Do any of those funding sources have a vested interest in a certain result?



Obviously your academic focus wasn't argumentation. You need to make a specific point about the vested interest and actually offer evidence for the point. You can't simply says 'hey look at the funders of this research' and then not finish the argument. You are off to an extremely poor start here as well.

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In short, your chosen published work has failed the most basic scientific standard.



What? You haven't done any analysis of the estimates at all. The basis of your critique basically involves 'I'm an expert but I'm going to offer no arguments.' So far, you've offered nothing.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27430 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:14 pm to
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Polio is gonna make a come back because of Qanon people isn’t it


Yes, but likely via granola munchers rather than your typical white trash.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:14 pm to
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I have no problem with actual vaccines


Lol. Define 'real vaccines' for me in discrete terms.

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I have a problem with terrible statistical analysis and data manipulation in the hopes of proving a poorly conceived hypothesis


Sure you do. Yet you are doing the same thing with even less evidence.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30590 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:15 pm to
Has it been approved with a full FDA approval, or was it given an emergency authorization? It’s the first option, which means it’s been thoroughly tested without issue
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:16 pm to
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Fair enough but it is still more likely my child would get autism or other brain damage from ingredients in vaccine than polio which is basically impossible to catch in US.


You already appear to have brain damage.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40139 posts
Posted on 8/31/23 at 5:16 pm to
quote:

Fair enough but it is still more likely my child would get autism or other brain damage from ingredients in vaccine than polio which is basically impossible to catch in US


quote:

Vaccines do not cause autism. A small study in 1998 suggested a link between vaccinations and autism spectrum disorder. The study was reviewed further and retracted. In addition, the author's medical license was revoked due to falsified information.

Since then, numerous studies have debunked a connection between autism and the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine.

In April 2015, JAMA published the largest study to date, analyzing the health records of over 95,000 children. About 2,000 of those children were classified at risk for autism because they had a sibling already diagnosed with autism. The study confirmed that the MMR vaccine did not increase the risk for autism spectrum disorder.
LINK

Vaccines do not cause Autism. The Autism claim came from a fraudalent study which has been retracted and the author has lost his medical license. So once again you are incorrect. Your child will not get Autism from a vaccine.
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