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re: Net neutrality devil's advocate
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If a provider starts throttling popular websites and fast laning others, you can bet that provider will soon have competition.
HOW.
EXPLAIN IN DETAIL HOW THAT COMPETITION EMERGES
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:42 pm to fightin tigers
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Pro free market at the expense of the ISPs
Yes. Instead of supporting the laws of a few oligarchical corporations, I'd prefer to support the thousands of others making a living off the internet.
Here's to any future chicken out there who deserves an equal opportunity to grow his website
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:42 pm to J Murdah
I think it is meaningless because it never happened in the past.
Because if it starts happening natural competition will take over.
Because if it starts happening natural competition will take over.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:43 pm to fightin tigers
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That's called competition.
Umm, no. They're on the same fricking page. What they want is to take down is things like YouTube, Facebook, and any news organization or public figure that isn't under the banner of the Big Six. They see them as a bunch of pirates, and the Big Six have formed an alliance to take these pesky pirates down.
Case in point is PewDiePie. PewDiePie has over 55 million subscribers on YouTube. He gets more daily views than the programs on CNN or Fox or any of those cable news networks. He has a pirate ship that can't be stopped.
So what do they do: The Wall Street Journal writes a total bullshite hit piece on PewDiePie calling him a Nazi, directly contact all of YouTube's sponsors telling them their ad dollars are going to Nazi propaganda, they pull out supporting YouTube, and then all the Big Six go along with it without remotely questioning the accuracy of that bullshite piece. PewDiePie is really all you need to know where the Big Six stand in terms to the freedom of speech on the internet.
They're not after the money, they're after the power. PewDiePie and all the others out there on the free web have not been held accountable at all to the Big Six are their enemy, not each other. If they'll put out hit pieces on them and go after their sponsors, think what will happen to them once the Big Six controls the internet. They'll be fried and shut them down.
The competition is not each other any more than Britain and Canada are our actual competition, it's the narrative they can't control that is the competition. And they will squash it if they get their way.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:44 pm to Breesus
Roger seems to think ISPs pop out of thin air, ignoring any and all infastructure limitations
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:45 pm to OMLandshark
I didn't realize I was dealing with a conspiracy theorist.
I'll bow out.
I'll bow out.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:51 pm to fightin tigers
ok now i know you're a troll
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If a provider starts throttling popular websites and fast laning others, you can bet that provider will soon have competition.
Nope. St Charles parish has a contract with cox. The contract came up about two years ago and cox was lobbying in full force. The parish said it was "unfair" fir another company to come in and use the hardware that cox established.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:51 pm to OMLandshark
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So what do they do: The Wall Street Journal writes a total bullshite hit piece on PewDiePie calling him a Nazi, directly contact all of YouTube's sponsors telling them their ad dollars are going to Nazi propaganda, they pull out supporting YouTube, and then all the Big Six go along with it without remotely questioning the accuracy of that bullshite piece. PewDiePie is really all you need to know where the Big Six stand in terms to the freedom of speech on the internet.
Not damn word of that has to do with the Net Neutrality rule. That happened while the rule was in effect.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:52 pm to brass2mouth
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Nope. St Charles parish has a contract with cox. The contract came up about two years ago and cox was lobbying in full force. The parish said it was "unfair" fir another company to come in and use the hardware that cox established.
That's what's wrong with treating ISPs as a utility provider.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:53 pm to Breesus
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EXPLAIN IN DETAIL HOW THAT COMPETITION EMERGES
Is this a joke? Do you realize that every single broadband provider in the US came into being before this meaningless rule?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:53 pm to Evolved Simian
It is an example of how things could be once ISP's have unlimited power. Goddamn, are yall really not getting this?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:54 pm to J Murdah
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It is an example of how things could be once ISP's have unlimited power. Goddamn, are yall really not getting this?
They had it forever, and it didn't fricking happen. Goddamn, are you people really not getting how lame your straw man is?
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:56 pm to Evolved Simian
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They had it forever, and it didn't fricking happen. Goddamn, are you people really not getting how lame your straw man is?
The local government bans competition and now they want the federal government to bail them out.
Hard to believe Uncle Bubba and Aunt Eldrige were capable of understanding the internet when Cox brought them to the hunting camp.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:56 pm to DrSteveBrule
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This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:59 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:
Is this a joke
No.
quote:
Do you realize that every single broadband provider in the US came into being before this meaningless rule?
Do you understand how they came into power and what it would take for new ISP competition to emerge? Do you understand what it takes for the internet to work on a physical level? Do you know what an ISP is and what it does?
Do you care to explain to me how a new ISP could possibly pop-up and survive?
Will you answer any of my questions or just keep dodging?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:59 pm to fightin tigers
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I didn't realize I was dealing with a conspiracy theorist.
Where's the conspiracy theory here? They had a hit piece on the biggest YouTuber, they contact YouTube's sponsors saying they are sponsoring Nazi propaganda, they pull out, and all content creators (save for subsidiaries of the Big Six, I wonder why that is) have their revenue cut by 60% or more.
This is well known if you watch YouTube at all. Multiple creators have had to set up Patreon accounts due to this to beg for money they were getting from advertisers. Some have actually pulled out (including channels as big as H3H3) because they can no longer pay the bills from the hit job WSJ did and that all of the Big 6 are just going along with it.
So shut the frick up when you don't know what you're talking about and do some slight research into it instead of labeling me a "conspiracy theorist".
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:03 pm to Evolved Simian
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Not damn word of that has to do with the Net Neutrality rule. That happened while the rule was in effect.
My point is if they're doing that from the outside, what do you think they're going to do once they get control of the distribution of that message? They're going to go full out Freddy Kruger on these independent creators and online networks until they control the narrative again.
Hell CNN just openly blackmailed a Reddit user in order to silence him. What happens when they get the distribution channel of all 10 million of them?
Just their actions in the past year shows that they are not to be trusted.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:05 pm to Breesus
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Do you care to explain to me how a new ISP could possibly pop-up and survive?
Start small and build.
It isn't simple or easy. I don't believe the internet is the last great frontier of information and media sharing. I do believe if the chicken little worst case scenario happens and American ISPs try to control the world's access then you will have a competitor step forward.
To ISPs, data delivery, the internet itself.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:17 pm to fightin tigers
Do you realize how w hard it is to start an ISP? You can't just lay down infrastructure in municipalities. Even the giant Google got stopped along the way. Why? Because current ISPs saw them for the threat they were and flexed muscle through lobbyists and threatening to move jobs over seas if Google was allowed to continue to build infrastructure. This is a dirty game
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