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re: Name one non-religious reason to care if someone else is homosexual?

Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:29 pm to
Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:29 pm to
Why not just stick to masturbation? Why participate in a sexual orientation other than the one they were born with?
Posted by Mung
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:33 pm to
there aren't any wimmins in most prisons, so if a dude wants sex, he has to do the ghey thing.

Once outside, he goes back to wimmins. What's so hard to understand about that. he's not really gay.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:34 pm to
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Azranod


I think you need to break out of your comfort zone.
Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:35 pm to
I have seen a documentary about sexual deviances, in which wasddiscussed a man who had never achieved orgasm through normal sex. However, any time he would blow a balloon up to the point that it over inflated and popped, he would have an orgasm. You can not tell me he has a genetic predisposition to balloons.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:35 pm to
There are many factors. Being in prison can be pyscholgically traumatizing for some and causes them to engage in acts they would not do otherwise. I think you keep seeing sexuality in black and white terms(straight/gay nature nuture). Its a spectrum.
Posted by Mung
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:36 pm to
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Gays stop acting like you're so persecuted, civil union ok marriage no it's a sacrament


Not really. A judge married me. No religion involved.

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Me accepting your right to your lifestyle doesn't mean I condone it or will change several thousand years of Judeo Christian law for your splinter group


And there you go. Forcing your judeo-christian religion on people, here in the US where church and state are separate.
Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:37 pm to
There are female staff in prison. There are female staff in prison who get caught screwing prisoners. So that premise is wrong. Care to try again?
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:39 pm to
what premise?
Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:40 pm to
There is no written law anywhere about a separation of church and state.
Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:41 pm to
That men have "gay" sex in prison because there are no women.
Posted by thetempleowl
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:44 pm to
Many medical researchers, in fact I think the predominant thought out there currently is that one is born with a certain sexual orientation.

So, I, along with many others, feel that being gay is not a choice. It is the way you are born. I have many gay friends. They are among the best people I know in the world.

However the question as phrased is can someone name a single non-religious reason to care if someone is homosexual.

Let me put it to you this way. If I had a son, and I had a choice, I would prefer him not to be gay. There are many reasons for that, none of them because I have anything against gay people. Rather it is because of the ridiculous phobias many have and because of the hate many shroud under the guise of God said it was wrong.

I would not want my child to have to put up with this. I would also not want him to grow up wondering if there was something wrong with him and all the other self doubts many people have to go through.

So, the primary and one would have to say solid non-religious reason to care if someone else is homosexual would be if you cared about them, their life would be easier if they were straight. That is not because they are wrong because being gay is wrong. Being gay is no more a choice than being straight is. But being gay is more difficult in the world because of the treatment they would receive from many uninformed people out there in the world.

But then, there really isn't a choice if one is gay or not.

So in short, I don't care if someone is gay. But there is a real reason to hope someone you care about isn't gay. And that reason has nothing to do with them or about being gay. It has to do with the way many uniformed people out there treat them.

But that is changing and at some point probably will not be a problem. Then I wouldn't care if my son was straight or gay, I would just want him to be happy.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:46 pm to
My sister in law is a prison guard and that happens very rarely at least in comparison with inmate on inmate sex. Your point I think was that heterosexual prisoners engage in homosexual acts as a choice hence homosexuality is choice. Is that correct?
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 3:48 pm
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:48 pm to
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can someone name a single non-religious reason to care if someone is homosexual


I can't name one religious reason. Homosexuality is a sin, but everyone is a sinner. The guys holding the God hates figs sign make absolutely no sense. If God hates gays for their sin then he must hate every single one of us for our own sins. The guy with the sign is essentially saying my sin isn't as bad as your sin. That's not what being a Christian means.
Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:51 pm to
I didn't lay it out as it was a just because you see these people choose it, "that" means it is choice entirely. I personally have seen others in other situations choose to participate in homosexual behavior, and therefore it is my belief that it is all choice.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:56 pm to
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There is no written law anywhere about a separation of church and state.



omg

Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:59 pm to
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The First Amendment states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."












a little modern spin for ya too:



This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:59 pm to
It's not in the Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, or the First Amendment.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:59 pm to
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didn't lay it out as it was a just because you see these people choose it, "that" means it is choice entirely. I personally have seen others in other situations choose to participate in homosexual behavior, and therefore it is my belief that it is all choice.
Do you also believe schizofrenia is a choice?
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:02 pm to
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It's not in the Constitution


Its in the first sentence of The First Amendment of the constitution that:

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the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion


ETA:

I'll translate for you. That means they won't make any laws based on religious beliefs.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted by Azranod
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:04 pm to
The term Separation of Church and State, as well as the one about an establishment of religion is actually about not having a Government sanctioned religion such as The Church of England.
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