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re: Minimum wage battle is going to destroy small businesses!

Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:39 pm to
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:39 pm to
What machines? For which jobs?

Who operates and maintains these machines?

Are you sure you aren’t just talking out your arse?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:40 pm to
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No. Prices would rise, or margins would be reduced. Either one is fine with me. McDonald's shareholders and their customers can pay for the labor of McDonald's employees instead of joe taxpayer.


Just another example of someone living in fantasyland.

What do you think happens when a Big Mac costs $20?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:40 pm to
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No. Prices would rise, or margins would be reduced


Gee wonder which one will happen.
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McDonald's shareholders and their customers can pay for the labor of McDonald's employees instead of joe taxpayer.


Now apply this across every good and service affected by these increased wages and tell me we won't be worse off economically. We also have to trust your claim that the taxpayers are paying for these "artificially" low wages for your argument to carry any weight.

Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:42 pm to
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Minimum wage battle is going to destroy small businesses!


12 pages of whether or not minimum wage should be raised and nothing to prove that what the OP is saying is actually true
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:42 pm to
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What machines? For which jobs?



All of them at some point.

quote:

Who operates and maintains these machines?



Way less people for lower total pay than all the "skilled" workers they have now.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:42 pm to
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Who operates and maintains these machines?


A lot fewer people, with more skill than a burger flipper.

Higher wages for unskilled labor means unemployment for many.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:43 pm to
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What machines? For which jobs?


Kiosks for ordering food, automated drink machines, drive through kiosks, automated inventory systems

quote:

Who operates and maintains these machines?


Specialists or the companies that supply the machines.

They're not hiring a guy that's only qualified to clean bathrooms to manage these machines or the inventory
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:43 pm to
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Who operates and maintains these machines?


Way less people for lower total pay than all the "skilled" workers they have now.



The point of automation.

Which flies right past these clowns.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:45 pm to
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All of them at some point.


Are you under the impression that mass produced burger flipping and fry-dropping technology is a cutting edge phenom that we have almost cracked?

Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:47 pm to
“Specialists”

“Machines”

“All of them”

“Automation”

“They’re the ones writing it off, Jerry.”
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:47 pm to
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What machines? For which jobs?


Kiosk for orders in house.

Ai for ordering in drive through.

Jack in the box has begun using robot arms for frying stuff like fries and chicken tenders.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:48 pm to
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Are you under the impression that mass produced burger flipping and fry-dropping technology is a cutting edge phenom that we have almost cracked?


What point do you think you're making here? These restaurants aren't going to pay all these workers $20/hr to do a bullshite jobs
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:49 pm to
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Which flies right past these clowns.


Mind blowing how utterly stupid modern man is regarding this classic subject.

Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:49 pm to
Nah man I’m sure we’ll figure out a machine that automatically pours sodas in the next 100 years or so
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:50 pm to
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“Specialists”

“Machines”

“All of them”

“Automation”

“They’re the ones writing it off, Jerry.”



LINK You really think this isn't coming with never ending increases in cost for low skill labor?
Posted by lsuguy84
Madisonville
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:51 pm to
You do know there are two fully-automated McDonald’s in Colorado, one in Texas, and one in California? Not sure what point you’re even making here.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:51 pm to
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Nah man I’m sure we’ll figure out a machine that automatically pours sodas in the next 100 years or so


Fast food companies already have the tech available, its just a matter of price.

$20 min wage will be quite the price shock, I imagine many fast food workers are going to be unemployed, and you'll cheer it on.

We used to build roads with hundreds of men and bricks, now 6 dudes with three machines can do it.

The guys operating machines make a lot more money.
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 3:54 pm
Posted by clamdip
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:51 pm to
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Most people don’t work for small businesses.

Um, not true.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:53 pm to
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Fast food companies already have the tech available, its just a matter of price.


What! No way!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:55 pm to
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What! No way!


McDonalds already has several test fully automated operations.
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