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re: Military Buffs: Navy SEALs Are Comparable to Which Army Unit?
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:45 pm to KyleOrtonsMustache
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:45 pm to KyleOrtonsMustache
Except for the unit that goes in ahead of them and prepares the battlespace.
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Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:46 pm to brass2mouth
quote:Based on my experience we reach a level of proficiency that begins to not be of use in the field.
as it’s stands now in spec ops medicine PJs are tops.
I've had medical doctors and nurses back away and let us handle the situation in the field.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:46 pm to brass2mouth
quote:Sure, Marine and Army aviation isn’t a hill I’m gonna die on.
Well your original argument was that the current teams of AFSOC/NAVSOC could be dissolved and MARSOC/USASF could take over the roles.
The same rule could then apply to the aviation units of USMC/USA. Both the navy and AF have state of the art aircraft and both fly helicopters.
Wouldn’t be a stretch to train cobra/Apache pilots in the navy or the AF.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:49 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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But there’s no reason you can’t take an 18D and bring him to that level without having to draw another medic from a completely different branch. It’s inefficient. If there’s a reason why 18D’s don’t train to that level it’s because the funding is tied up training a whole other group of medics in a completely different branch fro the sole purpose of supporting SOF forces.
The pipeline to be a PJ is like 2 years. SOCM is only 10 months.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:49 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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But there’s no reason you can’t take an 18D and bring him to that level without having to draw another medic from a completely different branch. It’s inefficient. If there’s a reason why 18D’s don’t train to that level it’s because the funding is tied up training a whole other group of medics in a completely different branch fro the sole purpose of supporting SOF forces.
Bro I literally said that in my post. Lol
If I had to take a shot in the dark as to why they aren’t now, is a numbers game.
Other units want to turn out more medics just to sustain teams and then considering that every member in a green beret team knows multiple roles I.e. medic/weapons weapons/demo etc the guys would be tied up too long and have a higher failure percentage bringing their training to that level.
It’s almost more streamlined having 1 unit turn out legit AF medics to supply to the other teams while having teams medics available when PJs aren’t.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:51 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:Yes. Not even allowed to tell anyone that they existed at the time.
And doing so knowing that you would never get any recognition from anybody and a lifetime of hard memories.
Some even getting shot all to shite and getting back there ASAP.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:52 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Yeah, not putting them down or anything, but do they know more than a medic or corpsman for the regular infantry unit?
Are you suggesting that PJs aren't much different from 68Ws and green-side corpsmen?
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:52 pm to Korin
quote:Well an 18D or SOCM guy has probably been through initial medic/infantry school, airborne school, SFAS and Q course and SERE and all their other schools that make up the 2 year PJ pipeline timeline. I’m not familiar with the PJ pipeline so feel free to correct me.
The pipeline to be a PJ is like 2 years. SOCM is only 10 months.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:52 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Sure, Marine and Army aviation isn’t a hill I’m gonna die on.
It’s so ridiculously redundant that it blows my mind. Imagine where all those dollars could be going instead. Maybe grunts wouldn’t be driving around in 30+ year old hmmwvs and shitty aavs that have been around since Vietnam.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:55 pm to Korin
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Are you suggesting that PJs aren't much different from 68Ws and green-side corpsmen?
I was just curious as to how much more highly trained they were in regards to medical things than the other guys. I was told and now I know.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:55 pm to brass2mouth
quote:It just seems dumb to me to create this entire elite force from the Air Force of all branches for the sole purpose of providing medics to SOF forces.
It’s almost more streamlined having 1 unit turn out legit AF medics to supply to the other teams while having teams medics available when PJs aren’t.
And yeah I know they train to go get downed airmen but that shite don’t happen anymore. And I’m pretty sure the last few times we’ve had a plane go down behind enemy lines the PJs didn’t even do the rescue.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 10:59 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Well an 18D or SOCM guy has probably been through initial medic/infantry school, airborne school, SFAS and Q course and SERE and all their other schools that make up the 2 year PJ pipeline timeline. I’m not familiar with the PJ pipeline so feel free to correct me.
Looks like it's shorter than I thought. Strange, all the docs said it was 2 years.
Indoc - 9 weeks
Combat Diver Course - 6 weeks
Basic Survival - 3 weeks
Airborne - 3 weeks
Freefall - 5 weeks
EMT-Paramedic - 22 weeks
Recovery Specialist - 24 weeks
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:00 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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It just seems dumb to me to create this entire elite force from the Air Force of all branches for the sole purpose of providing medics to SOF forces.
Well that wasn’t the mission of the PJs when they were created. They’re primary mission was/is the retrieval of downed pilots behind enemy lines. Which is why the AF, the branch with the pilots, has them.
Current SOF missions have changed the missions for all SOF units nowadays compared to what we were pre911.
It’s just like the green berets who used to go in and trying an insurgency don’t do that anymore. The brass just sees a bunch of highly training dudes with an outdated mission statement sitting around so they get scooped up.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:01 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:John L. Plaster
I’d love to read more on them.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:01 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Damn, so no comments on the SOG guys. I guess we have found a level of eliteness and secrecy that even you OT badasses aren't familiar with.
I do know that they pull heavily from Delta due it having a lot of GBs and their training in FID and working with and training foreign groups.
On another topic was the poster Bushmaster a tier one operator? I know he was a SF sniper correct?
I do know that they pull heavily from Delta due it having a lot of GBs and their training in FID and working with and training foreign groups.
On another topic was the poster Bushmaster a tier one operator? I know he was a SF sniper correct?
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:03 pm to Korin
quote:
EMT-Paramedic - 22 weeks
That’s closer to 36weeks.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:03 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:
Force Recon has that skill set.
I don’t really know what to say other than that you’re just wrong man.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:04 pm to brass2mouth
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:05 pm to GREENHEAD22
quote:
Bushmaster a tier one operator? I know he was a SF sniper correct?
I’m not sure what unit but he was a private contractor for the longest and I know he was a sniper with them.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:05 pm to brass2mouth
quote:That was the second paragraph of my post
Well that wasn’t the mission of the PJs when they were created. They’re primary mission was/is the retrieval of downed pilots behind enemy lines. Which is why the AF, the branch with the pilots, has them.
quote:The majority of the “SOF” missions conducted lately, especially in the Iraq/Afghanistan theaters weren’t even SOF missions. There just weren’t enough real SOF missions to go around for our ridiculously oversized SOF forces so they started giving regular infantry type missions to SOF forces and sending the infantry to stand guard at gates man traffic checkpoints. You know, all the boring shite that is probably a lot more dangerous than going on ninja raids in the long run.
Current SOF missions have changed the missions for all SOF units nowadays compared to what we were pre911.
It’s just like the green berets who used to go in and trying an insurgency don’t do that anymore. The brass just sees a bunch of highly training dudes with an outdated mission statement sitting around so they get scooped up.
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