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Medical experts say it's impossible for person to break own spine in back of van

Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:41 am
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:41 am
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But if Freddie Gray was trying to break his own spinal cord in the back of a van, according to experts in spinal trauma injuries, it might be the first self-inflicted injury of its kind.

“I have never seen it before. I’ve never seen somebody self-inflict a spinal cord injury in that way,” says Anand Veeravagu, Chief Neurosurgery Resident at Stanford University Medical Center who specializes in traumatic brain and spinal cord injuries.

“It’s hard for me to understand that, unless those terms [like ‘intentional’ and ‘injure himself’] are being used incorrectly. It’s hard for me to envision how a person could try to do that,” he says. “It would require them to basically hang themselves in a car where there isn’t anything to hang yourself with.”

"Unless somebody jumps off a two-story building and the blunt force breaks (their spinal cord), then no, it is not a viable solution to think someone did this to themselves," says Harminder Singh, a Clinical Assitant Professor of Neurosurgery at Stanford School of Medicine.

Veeravagu says that there are only a few ways you can injure your spine in a similar way to the injuries that ultimately led to Gray’s death. One, he says, is by a sharp injury, which is a direct penetrating injury—either somebody with a knife “who knows what they’re doing, or something else that cuts through, like a gunshot wound.”

The other way, more pertinent to Gray’s case, is by trauma, where the bones are fractured and the ligaments are torn as a result of force or impact.


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Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:44 am to
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The other way, more pertinent to Gray’s case, is by trauma, where the bones are fractured and the ligaments are torn as a result of force or impact. 


Malnourished heroin addict slams his head and neck into a bunch of metal.
Posted by Slippery Slope
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:57 am to
Nah
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:11 am to
I believe the police intentionally hurt him. Rather than put him in an ambulance they forced him to his feet, and put him in that van.
I get he had a list of past crimes, but what crime had he done that day?

In the end, all of this will force more police accountability.
Posted by saderade
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:21 am to
While I think it was intentionally done by the police, someone could definitely break their neck if they face planted when the van stopped short/started fast and weren't able to stop their fall because of handcuffs or shackles.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:26 am to
Breaking your neck isn't nearly as hard as these doctors are making it out to be. I've seen it done when my buddy fell from around 6ft, and he's a quadriplegic now. You just have to hit it in the right spot
Posted by LSU1NSEC
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:38 am to
Baltimore cops seem to have a thing for choking people. Freeze video at :09.

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Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:42 am to
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Breaking your neck isn't nearly as hard as these doctors are making it out to be. I've seen it done when my buddy fell from around 6ft, and he's a quadriplegic now. You just have to hit it in the right spot





Diving into a pool is the number one cause of spinal injuries
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:13 am to
Yeah, so the spinal cord doctor says he hasn't ever seen someone who broke their neck in the back of a police van, and a neurosurgeon (who doesn't deal with spinal cord injury) says it is impossible
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:22 am to
It is simply amazing to me that there are people who actually believe he did this to himself.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:24 am to
I get injuring ones self to get into a medical ward. But trying to break your own neck? There are easier and less painful ways to kill yourself in jail.

Now is breaking your own neck possible? yes.

This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 9:25 am
Posted by MSUbulldogs03
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:32 am to
I've seen some people do superman type shite on drugs, especially one such as heroin which can completely numb you out. My guess is the injury was initiated by Gray and exacerbated by police or vice versa.
Posted by MSUbulldogs03
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:33 am to
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But trying to break your own neck? There are easier and less painful ways to kill yourself in jail.
I don't think he was trying to break his neck. I think he was just dopped up and trying to hurt himself by slamming his head into a wall or bench and just so happened to break his neck.
Posted by LewDawg
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:39 am to
Are we back to hating the cops now? I can't keep up with the hive mind.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:44 am to
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Now is breaking your own neck possible? yes.




Yes, it's possible, but that's not what these doctors are saying. They are saying it's impossible to do to yourself while in the back of a van. Sure you can break it diving in a pool or falling from height, but in the back of a van, how would you be able to accomplish it. That's what the experts are saying is impossible
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:53 am to
I´ll admit, all this shite is too much (frequency, attention, following, of all these potential overuse, abuse of police force), but the video footage I saw of this guy, showed me he wasn´t in a position to be doing any purposeful throwing of himself around in that van.

He looked like a limp and unconscious sack of potatoes, when then threw him in there.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 10:00 am
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:58 am to
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I've seen some people do superman type shite on drugs
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especially one such as heroin which can completely numb you out.




So you have SEEN people do superman shite when on the strongest depressant? I've seen people on heroin too, they usually melt into a chair..
PCP is the one that block pain receptors and gives feelings of strength and insanity.

Depressants make you really lazy. You wouldn't 'care' that you are being arrested if high. Your only care would be the come down on the concrete bench using shoes as a pillow.
Posted by Hammertime
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 10:03 am to
I'd venture to say since he had a preexisting neck injury, the rough housing by the cops didn't help. He might've been just trying to avoid jail and get sent to the hospital by knocking himself around. He might've been trying to set up a claim to sue the city. Who knows?

Posted by LSUwag
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 10:03 am to
The logical explanation is that he broke it as a result of the cop driving the van intentionally slamming on his brakes to mess with the prisoner. I think the driver is the officer who killed him.

I disagree on not having PC to arrest him. He fled the police which in itself established PC to arrest. Maybe the law allows people to simply run from the cops when confronted. It seems counterintuitive to me.
Posted by MSUbulldogs03
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 10:09 am to
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So you have SEEN people do superman shite when on the strongest depressant? I've seen people on heroin too, they usually melt into a chair..
As in slam their hand and get it stuck in a car door and it not even phase them. Completely numb to the experience.
My point is that he may not have realized how bad he was hurting himself.
This post was edited on 5/2/15 at 10:13 am
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