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re: McKnight shooter released from custody...Cliffnotes of Normand press conf inside
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:50 pm to OweO
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:50 pm to OweO
Witness story is fabrication. No one knows if there was a physical altercation or fight for the gun in the car because only 2 people know and one is dead. I'm not sure if a suspect's prior record is admissible in court. It can be argued that it's part of state of mind and is evidence of previous rage, but no clue if a judge would allow it. If there ever is a trial the defense will definitely fight to keep it out.
ETA: We still don't know if he was in the car or leaning through the window. We do know that he was at least head high at the passenger window leaning forward based on the entry and exit wounds. Basically imagine standing and talking to someone through the passenger window while they are in the driver's seat. It appears he was shot in that position at the very least.
ETA: We still don't know if he was in the car or leaning through the window. We do know that he was at least head high at the passenger window leaning forward based on the entry and exit wounds. Basically imagine standing and talking to someone through the passenger window while they are in the driver's seat. It appears he was shot in that position at the very least.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 5:00 pm
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:51 pm to OweO
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My first question is, the witness that said she saw the shooter standing over JM saying "I told you don't frick with me" is still not creditable right?
That is now completely discredited.
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Is the million dollar question still "what made the shooter feel threatened enough to shoot"?
Basically. The other question is if JM was trying to get into the vehicle or had already gotten into the vehicle, in which case Gasser is allowed to shoot whether he feels threatened or not.
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And I did read something that said the shooter had a prior arrest of road rage for a situation that happened at the same location. Is that accurate and if so, that can only change perception right? In other words, it can not be used in this case.
Yes, that is accurate. If the evidence and witness statements are ambiguous, it certainly doesn't help Gasser's case. If the evidence shows JM was in the vehicle, then that previous case doesn't matter.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:51 pm to tiggah1981
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In this case we would never know the answer since Gasser was to chicken shite to drop the gloves and decided to kill someone using a weapon
Oh god.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 4:53 pm to Patrick_Bateman
quote:I had an older cousin who was a professional boxer in the late 70's that was as mean as a snake, and subsequently killed by a guy who jumped him and stabbed him to death when I was a kid. He put people in the hospital when he fought and his hands were considered "lethal weapons" by law enforcement from what I remember.
You don't have to be armed with a gun to pose a lethal threat to someone. Especially if you're putting your hands on that person (which may or may not have happened in this case, IDK). Should every fist fight end in a shootout? Of course not. But being "unarmed" does not absolve a person of being a dangerous threat. That word shows up in every one of these cases, as if not having a gun somehow makes it impossible for a person to be dangerous.
Don't know if those laws still apply.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:18 pm to tiggah1981
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How about you tell me...I watch the news alot and I might count the number of times in both my hands where I heard of story of someone dying because of kicks and punches...Gasser poked the wrong bull and bitched out by killing him
You watching the news isn't worth shite compared to the compiled stats in the FBI UCR that are published every year. Only bitch here is you and your wanton ignorance.
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:26 pm to slackster
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I think that is an important distinction. The burden of proof is on the state if they file charges, so they're trying to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed a crime. Gasser doesn't have to prove his innocence, and the evidence may ultimately be inconclusive as to what exactly went down, but unless it explicitly implicates Gasser in a crime, he's going to walk.
Our justice system is designed to keep innocent people out of prison, not to catch all guilty people, and for that we should all be thankful.
Why did the guy that shot Will Smith go right to jail? Will Smith started that incident and threatened to get a gun and kill him.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:29 pm to TejasPete
Are there any legal ramifications for the idiot witness that lied to the police?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:30 pm to TejasPete
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Why did the guy that shot Will Smith go right to jail? Will Smith started that incident and threatened to get a gun and kill him.
Because the guy came after Will Smith. He chased him down after the initial hit and run, hit him, then got out and shot him.
Hard to claim self defense in that scenario.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:31 pm to Janky
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Are there any legal ramifications for the idiot witness that lied to the police?
As far as we know, that witness didn't lie to the police. She lied to the media, but that isn't a crime.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:31 pm to slackster
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Because the guy came after Will Smith. He chased him down after the initial hit and run, hit him, then got out and shot him.
Hard to claim self defense in that scenario.
Not really. Smith rear ended him and took off. Guy followed him. Arguement ensued, Smith went for a gun, guy shot him.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:32 pm to slackster
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Because the guy came after Will Smith. He chased him down after the initial hit and run, hit him, then got out and shot him.
He shot Smith in the back as well as he shot his unarmed wife in the leg while she was sitting in the passengers seat
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:34 pm to tgrbaitn08
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He shot Smith in the back as well as he shot his unarmed wife in the leg while she was sitting in the passengers seat
Maybe he feared for his life.
Nevermind he's black he can't fear for his life that only works for white people in the south.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:34 pm to TejasPete
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Not really. Smith rear ended him and took off. Guy followed him. Arguement ensued, Smith went for a gun, guy shot him.
Guy followed him, hit him, then got out to confront him. Whether Smith went for a gun will be decided at the trial that is about to take place, but the prosecution doesn't believe that was the case.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:36 pm to TejasPete
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Nevermind he's black he can't fear for his life that only works for white people in the south.
Maybe black people should stop commiting 99% of violent crimes and white people will stop fearing them.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:37 pm to Clames
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You watching the news isn't worth shite compared to the compiled stats in the FBI UCR that are published every year. Only bitch here is you and your wanton
:golfclap: I didn't know Gasser used a rifle to kill the victim...
Also, you might want to chill..you sound like your raging with the namecalling...don't worry, if you are just take a drive, cut someone off, wait for them to pull uo next to you and as soon as they tamper with your truck balls, pop off a couple rounds. You'll be good
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:41 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Maybe black people should stop commiting 99% of violent crimes and white people will stop fearing them.
Well at least you are honest. Your statement is why law enforcement (mostly white) think its ok for white guys to shoot unarmed black guys who come up to their passenger window.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:42 pm to slackster
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Guy followed him, hit him, then got out to confront him. Whether Smith went for a gun will be decided at the trial that is about to take place, but the prosecution doesn't believe that was the case.
Why does he get a trial to determine what led to the shooting buy Gasser gets a police guard at his house?
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:44 pm to TejasPete
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Well at least you are honest. Your statement is why law enforcement (mostly white) think its ok for white guys to shoot unarmed black guys who come up to their passenger window.
Well the numbers don't lie. Not my fault.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:58 pm to tgrbaitn08
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I'm surprised no one has said something like, "why didn't he just shoot him in the leg" "why didn't he fire a warning shot" "why didn't he just taze him" " why did he have to kill him"?????
Anyone here who posted that is either very young or clueless on life and death situations.
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Is that the same shite we hear after a cop shoots and kills a TPOS disobeying a police officers orders?
Yes. have an upvote.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 5:58 pm to REG861
Well considering that Mcknight pulled his car alongside of a vehicle and parked pretty close in a non driving lane is pretty important to show who the aggressor was.
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