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re: McKinney policeman suspended after pulling gun on teens, etc....

Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:34 pm to
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Actually, did you not see that the video was taken with the people on sidewalks and streets. Thus, unless this was a closed-gated neighborhood, those are public areas, the maintenance of the street and sidewalks is the responsibility of the city. Therefore, not trespassing. FYI


So, you think they were hanging out on the sidewalk and in the street the whole time then?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:45 pm to
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He pulled his gun when those two men creeped up behind him on his weapon side

They ran off and he put his gun away

He also had two teenage males moving aggressively towards him directly in front of him

Anybody else think that those males would have taken a swing at him if they could have? Sure looked like it



You're right -- he should have just shot them. He would have gotten off just like the rest of the douchebag LEOs that take lives at the drop of a hat and should be in prison.

But seriously -- if there were invitations to the party -- then how the frick were the kids trespassing? They weren't. From what I saw it was two good guy cops and one huge douchebag. If I'm a douchebag in my interactions with people at work, I'd get fired too.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 3:51 pm
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37696 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:55 pm to
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quote: Yet there no charges or citations Once again....and? I've been let of with warnings for speeding, but it doesn't change the fact I WAS actually speeding. The kids were being a nuisance. The cops initial goal was to get them to disperse. That is the rightful action to take given the number of folks there. They were doing that until the one idiot cop showed up. Still doesn't change the fact that the cops were rightfully called out to break up the party. This post was edited on 6/10 at 12:01 pm


Again, what crime was committed by the girl who was slammed? Not trespassing. She was invited
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50362 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 3:59 pm to
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Not trespassing. She was invited


If you're asked to leave by the host, or in this case the HOA, and you refuse you are then trespassing.

At that point, whether you were invited or not is irrelevant.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50362 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 4:03 pm to
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But seriously -- if there were invitations to the party -- then how the frick were the kids trespassing?


This is incorrect. If it was held at a private pool owned and operated by a HOA, and the party was not permissible, then the invitations are irrelevant.

In my rental, which has an HOA only pool, it explicitly says that residents can only have X number of guests. If I were to throw a party and invite 200 people then I'm in violation of the rule and, therefore, the party goers will be asked to leave. If they refuse then they are trespassing.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66524 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 4:09 pm to
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But seriously -- if there were invitations to the party -- then how the frick were the kids trespassing? They weren't. From what I saw it was two good guy cops an


Do people really just lack basic logic? Christ


Just because you saw some invite on twitter doesn't mean shite.

I'd also enjoy seeing the reaction of the people spouting they were in public streets nonsense if about 50 kids just showed up in front of their home, played loud music, and were potentially drinking and smoking pot. But of couse the cops can't do shite because they're in a public street.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 4:17 pm
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12445 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 4:16 pm to
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Again, what crime was committed by the girl who was slammed? Not trespassing. She was invited


"inviting" isnt clearance to do whatever you please. police break up parties all the time for complaints (which happened here). once you ignore their orders to clear the scene, you are in violation. she left at the start of the video and then came back in and was causing distraction to an officer trying to maintain holding some kids that outnumbered him.

she then, when getting walked over to be sat with the rest of the crowd looks to have attempted to get away.


does that excuse "get your face in the ground?" no. but did she do anything to warrant police attention? sure.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12445 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 4:18 pm to
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This is incorrect. If it was held at a private pool owned and operated by a HOA, and the party was not permissible, then the invitations are irrelevant.

In my rental, which has an HOA only pool, it explicitly says that residents can only have X number of guests. If I were to throw a party and invite 200 people then I'm in violation of the rule and, therefore, the party goers will be asked to leave. If they refuse then they are trespassing.


and even on private property neighbors can complain about the crowds, and the noise from a DJ causing police to show up and clear the scene. and if you refuse, you will get in trouble.

does he really think a bunch of white HS kids can have 100 person party in their front yard and neighbors cant do anything because they were invited to the house?
Posted by Restomod
Member since Mar 2012
13493 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 4:20 pm to
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Again, what crime was committed by the girl who was slammed? Not trespassing. She was invited




It's trespassing when the person doing the inviting had no authority to do so.

Send me your address, I want to send you an invitation to a party on Saturday. It's an open bar, starts at 9pm and prepare to to get crunk.

The address is:

1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20500.


Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12445 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 4:25 pm to
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when the DJ started setting up, it would be a pretty big indicator to the residents of something being up. Not a cause for alarm since it was the last day of school. When the DJ started playing loud inappropriate music in the commons area then it should have been addressed.



isnt this, essentially, what happened? inappropriate music started blaring as crowds started showing up and when the people there tried to squash it things turned south fast and the cops were called?

Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 4:28 pm to
Pretty much, except there was an older guy working as security (Guy in Jorts) that tried to intercede and actually dragged things out making it worse

We will get an accurate timeline of when it all started, how long it lasted, when did the two women fight, etc as this goes on
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37696 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 5:03 pm to
So both you and the cop knew she was asked to leave by a HOA rep? And if so, she obviously had left the pool.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37696 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 5:04 pm to
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quote: Again, what crime was committed by the girl who was slammed? Not trespassing. She was invited It's trespassing when the person doing the inviting had no authority to do so. Send me your address, I want to send you an invitation to a party on Saturday. It's an open bar, starts at 9pm and prepare to to get crunk. The address is: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington, DC 20500.

But the party organizer does have a authority to invite people. She has authority to invite a certain number of people as guests.
And again, the police chief called the cops actions indefensible. What more do you need to stop the boorlicking?
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 5:06 pm
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12445 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 5:06 pm to
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But the party organizer does have a authority to invite people. She has authority to invite a certain number of people as guests.


and when the cops come and say "dont have to go home but you cant stay here" she shouldve walked away and stayed away instead of coming back again.

the police do have every right to clear everyone out. you must be trolling at this point.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37696 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 5:10 pm to
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quote: But the party organizer does have a authority to invite people. She has authority to invite a certain number of people as guests. and when the cops come and say "dont have to go home but you cant stay here" she shouldve walked away and stayed away instead of coming back again. the police do have every right to clear everyone out. you must be trolling at this point.

If she was asked to leave, obviously she did because she was On a public street when the incident with the abusive cop went down
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 5:11 pm
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 5:24 pm to
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Again, what crime was committed by the girl who was slammed?


quote:

Sec. 42.03. OBSTRUCTING HIGHWAY OR OTHER PASSAGEWAY. (a) A person commits an offense if, without legal privilege or authority, he intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly:

(2) disobeys a reasonable request or order to move issued by a person the actor knows to be or is informed is a peace officer, a fireman, or a person with authority to control the use of the premises:

(A) to prevent obstruction of a highway or any of those areas mentioned in Subdivision (1); or

(B) to maintain public safety by dispersing those gathered in dangerous proximity to a fire, riot, or other hazard.


quote:

Sec. 42.02. RIOT. (a) For the purpose of this section, "riot" means the assemblage of seven or more persons resulting in conduct which:

(1) creates an immediate danger of damage to property or injury to persons;

(2) substantially obstructs law enforcement or other governmental functions or services; or

(3) by force, threat of force, or physical action deprives any person of a legal right or disturbs any person in the enjoyment of a legal right.


LINK
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 5:25 pm
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66524 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 5:27 pm to
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But the party organizer does have a authority to invite people. She has authority to invite a certain number of people as guests. 


Yeah. Like two.

She doesn't have permission to set up a dj with 100 people.

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And again, the police chief called the cops actions indefensible. What more do you need to stop the boorlicking?


You keep bringing this up. It has no bearing on why the cops were called. The officer being a tard doesn't absolve the other morons for their prior actions.
This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 5:33 pm
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66524 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 5:30 pm to
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On a public street when the incident with the abusive cop went down

This post was edited on 6/10 at 5:11 pm




So you'd be cool with about 50 people setting up shop in front of your house? Since it's a public street and all.

This post was edited on 6/10/15 at 5:31 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50362 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 6:43 pm to
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So both you and the cop knew she was asked to leave by a HOA rep? And if so, she obviously had left the pool.


Are you serious? For what reason do you think the cops were called in the first place? You seem to be laboring under the delusion that you can just hang around in the street whenever or wherever you want.

It's pretty clear you don't understand loitering laws in the slightest. You may want to brush up on those rather than continuing to post stupid shite.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
13373 posts
Posted on 6/10/15 at 6:56 pm to
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"assumes shooting stance"

I love how that is assumed
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