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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:51 pm to YouAre8Up
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Really? You couldn't force me to do anything that I didn't want to.
If someone held a gun right next to your head and said "drink every shot I pour for you to drink or I will blow your fricking head off" are you going to say "I ain't drinking shite. Kill me because I am not letting you force me to drink". But what you don't realize is that the second they put a gun next to your head, they were already forcing you to make a decision.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:52 pm to OweO
He was made to drink at gunpoint?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:53 pm to Upperdecker
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FWIW I want Naquin’s life to be ruined
Naquin will have a hard time overcoming a negligent homicide conviction on a basic background investigation. Even if Naquin is somehow deemed qualified for a position, HR will say, no thanks.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:54 pm to OweO
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If someone held a gun right next to your head and said get out of your chair and walk a mile or I will blow your fricking head off" are you going to say "I ain't walking shite. Kill me because I am not letting you force me to walk". But what you don't realize is that the second they put a gun next to your head, they were already forcing you to make a decision
FIFY
Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:56 pm to Breauxsif
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Naquin will have a hard time overcoming a negligent homicide conviction on a basic background investigation. Even if Naquin is somehow deemed qualified for a position, HR will say, no thanks.
I disagree.....plus maybe he can do something on his own...not everyone has to be a slave to the man
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:04 pm to YeahYeah
There's a big difference in between criminal and civil liability. Should the defendant pay civilly? Probably. But, to me, a criminal conviction in this case is out of bounds. The victim had the opportunity to disengage and walk away.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:05 pm to dfintlyHmmrd
How many times have the frats been asked to lighten up on hazing? How many frats have been punished for hazing? I guess they are slow learners. They were asked nicely for years and now, they got what they deserved. They had their chance to stop this behavior. Maybe they will take it a little more serious next time.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:06 pm to Pettifogger
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But, 99% of the attention on these stories nationally is on the evils of the hazing fraternity, not the idea that 18 year old men should be standing up for themselves and taking their lives into their own hands.
I see your point too. I have a young son. We are going to teach him to not place himself in Mr. Gruver’s or Mr. Naquin’s situation. I hope he minds us.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:13 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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Naquin is not a bad kid.
When I worked for a local government agency in college, there was a student worker who worked in our department over the summer. The only people who worked in our department was me and my boss and this summer worker was pretty good so my boss put in a request to hire him after the summer work program was over.
Good kid, graduated from a Catholic school, was in college (his family was involved in the church.. Not that it matters but he was black).
There were some people in his neighborhood who kept fricking with him. We learned after the fact, but there were days he would come in scratched up and he said it was from falling off of his dirt bike, but what was really going on was these group of "kids" (late teens early 20s) had jumped him a few times.
We found a half filled out application for a gun permit in his desk. But he was able to get one quicker on the street. One night he got jumped, he got tired of it. Ran inside, grabbed his gun and went back outside and shot the main one of the group who kept fricking with him. He is serving life in angola.
We knew he was a good kid and it was sad because I would hate to know what he had to experience when he first got to angola because he wasn't at all someone you would think could handle himself in jail.
He went inside and grabbed his gun. The second he decided to go back outside and shoot the other kid he was screwed. If he had the gun on him and they jumped him and he got ahold to it and shot that person it would have been self defence.. But because of his decision to go inside, then back outside to shoot the person who was continuously beating him up.. He was done. One family had a family member get killed another family had their son get locked up for life.
He was a good kid. Being a good kid means 0 if you make one bad decision.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:17 pm to lsupride87
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Is that really that out of line for a college freshman?
Yes
You have issues if you are only sober 5 days in a month
There were certainly periods early in college that I was going out 6 nights a week. Rush at Ole Miss first semester freshman year the fraternity rush chairs would have parties with free booze and food almost literally every night. The nights we didn't drink at parties, my friends and I would smoke weed and watch HBO or some shite.
I don't think I ever got hungover either
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:18 pm to Upperdecker
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He’ll be a convicted felon with no college education when he finishes his prison stint. You think life will be easy for him after that?
He can go back to college. He has fraternity brothers that will be in positions to hire him. Especially since he took the hit for some of them.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:19 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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He has fraternity brothers that will be in positions to hire him. Especially since he took the hit for some of them.
Sounds like a lot of them testified against him and said they told him to chill out.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:21 pm to OweO
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He was a good kid. Being a good kid means 0 if you make one bad decision.
Eh. There was more than one decision in that thought process. It’s not okay to kill bullies. I’m glad he’s in Angola. He’s impulsive and deadly by your description.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:27 pm to Slingin Pickle
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He was made to drink at gunpoint?
No he wasn't, but there are other ways to force someone to do something. The person I replied to said no one would ever force him to do something.
I doubt they just handed this kid a bottle of vodka and said "here you go. You can drink it if you want, if you don't no big deal. Have fun and if we don't see each other again at some point tonight I will give you a call tomorrow".
You don't think there was some aggressive behavior involved?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:29 pm to OKellsBells
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I don’t agree.
It is true that Mr. Gruver could have prevented his fatal outcome by making better decisions.
It is also true that Mr. Naquin (and others) contributed to Max’s death. They could have prevented Mr. Gruver’s death by making better decisions.
There is personal responsibility involved in not being the person who encourages an extremely drunk person to drink more and more and more liquor.
Holding Mr Naquin accountable for his role doesn’t mean Mr Gruver is not accountable for his.
Well said.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:46 pm to dfintlyHmmrd
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Matthew Naquin Guilty
His lawyer sucks.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 4:53 pm to Pettifogger
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And I'd certainly agree that Naquin has moral culpability here. He did something morally wrong and contributed to someone's death, regardless of legal causation.
Therein lies the rub.
Moral culpability is just optional.
The law is a standard applied to us all.
Mr. Naquin’s consequence is the law.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 5:06 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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The 6-person jury
What the hell is this?
In Louisiana, a case in which the punishment may be confinement at hard labor shall be tried by a jury composed of six jurors, all of whom must concur to render a verdict.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 5:12 pm to bma28
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instead of being a Division 1 Athlete on scholarship.
Baseball.... at Nicholls? That is what you are bragging about? Yikes.
You and the boys must have had some wild nights in Long Hall.
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