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re: Matthew Naquin Guilty
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:28 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:28 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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I didn’t like to force people to drink until death
Did someone physically force him?
I mean at what point is the person drinking responsible for his actions?
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:29 pm to YouAre8Up
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The kid that died holds just as much responsibility.
Not much point in charging him now, pretty sure he’s paid his penance
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:30 pm to NYNolaguy1
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mean at what point is the person drinking responsible for his actions?
Pretty sure he’s been punished
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:31 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Did someone physically force him?
Too bad physical force isn't the only way to force someone to do something
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:31 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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You want to commit suicide. I give you a gun and say the only way I’ll be your friend is if you do it
Theres that whole intent thing that is the difference here. Mens rea and all...
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:32 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Did someone physically force him?
Is physical force a requirement for negligent homicide? The guy was under 21, was provided with alcohol, and (I assume) was told "you're cut if you don't do this."
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:33 pm to YeahYeah
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Too bad physical force isn't the only way to force someone to do something
Really? You couldn't force me to do anything that I didn't want to.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:33 pm to Upperdecker
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You think life will be easy for him after that?
He will still have a life. The kid he didnt like and bullied wont get that.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Theres that whole intent thing that is the difference here. Mens rea and all...
Did Gruver not have the intent on becoming a brother? Naquin was setting the hurdles
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:33 pm to YeahYeah
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Too bad physical force isn't the only way to force someone to do something
Like what, coercion, blackmail, extortion? Am I missing something significant here?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:33 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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You want to commit suicide. I give you a gun and say the only way I’ll be your friend is if you do it
I’m not guilty?
Except for the whole federal offense of giving a gun to a minor, unlicensed person with no experince using it.
Youde be toast and probably also get negligence as well.
Think about the girl found guilty last year fir encouraging a boy to commit suicide. All she did was SAY it....
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:34 pm to dfintlyHmmrd
I see all the frat star sympathizers are at it in this thread.
It's over bros. Greek life is going to be ancient history in the next couple decades.
It's over bros. Greek life is going to be ancient history in the next couple decades.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:34 pm to YouAre8Up
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You couldn't force me to do anything that I didn't want to.
Ok, this case isn't about you.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:34 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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I didn’t like to force people to drink until death or near death so that they could call me brother
Pretty sure there was zero evidence that Naquin (or anyone) held Gruver down and poured alcohol down his throat.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:35 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Did Gruver not have the intent on becoming a brother?
He did. Are you trying to argue that getting into a fraternity is a crime?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:35 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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The pledge kid died because of marijuana construction
What do you mean by ‘marijuana construction’?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:36 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
I hate this ruling
They told him he had to drink to make it into the fraternity. They didn’t physically force him nor did they withold him from basic necessity of life
They withheld entrance to a private organization. There should be no guilt for the fraternity memebers
They told him he had to drink to make it into the fraternity. They didn’t physically force him nor did they withold him from basic necessity of life
They withheld entrance to a private organization. There should be no guilt for the fraternity memebers
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:36 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Pretty sure he’s been punished
Yet they still look for someone to pin this on. Why?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:36 pm to Upperdecker
quote:very well could be a college grad before appeals are done....
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Ruined? No, he won’t be in there for long. And you and me have different ideas of how to party.
He’ll be a convicted felon with no college education when he finishes his prison stint. You think life will be easy for him after that?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 12:37 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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Naquin is not a bad kid.
If I encouraged an innocent soul to drink as much as he could to the point of killing himself and he actually fricking kills himself, I don't know how I could live with myself and look at my family in the eye.
If he really is not a "bad kid", he would've never allowed the situation to get that dangerous and would've stopped earlier. He didn't and he's getting what he deserves.
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