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March 13, 1942: Tumbling Capitals - MacArthur on the Run
Posted on 3/13/21 at 9:06 am
Posted on 3/13/21 at 9:06 am
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Rangoon in Burma falls to the invaders without a shot, the Dutch East Indies surrender 100,000 men to them at Batavia, and the Japanese land on New Guinea and begin their advance on port Moresby. The first phase of their offensives is now over. The Philippines still hold out, their armies under siege at Bataan, but Douglas MacArthur, Allied commander there, has made his getaway, one day to hopefully return. American troops do begin landings on New Caledonia, to build a base there to begin the fight back.
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Posted on 3/13/21 at 9:09 am to RollTide1987
The High Water mark of the Japanese Empire was December 1941 to June 1942.
For 6 months they were Masters of the Pacific.
For 6 months they were Masters of the Pacific.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 9:21 am to RollTide1987
MacArthur would be cancelled if he was in charge today. fricking commie scum
Posted on 3/13/21 at 10:27 am to tigersownall
Just listening to Carlin’s podcast now. Apparently he was a pretty odd dude.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 10:32 am to tigersownall
Random WWII history thread
No one -
I mean absolutely no one -
Resident OT mouthbreather - BUT MUH CANCEL CULTURE
No one -
I mean absolutely no one -
Resident OT mouthbreather - BUT MUH CANCEL CULTURE
Posted on 3/13/21 at 2:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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The High Water mark of the Japanese Empire was December 1941 to June 1942.
Yep. And then five minutes at Midway changed everything.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 3:28 pm to RollTide1987
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Yep. And then five minutes at Midway changed everything.
In hindsight, their recklessness borders on the insane. The USN could afford to lose 3 or 4 fleet carriers in an engagement - probably could have twice over the course of the Pacific conflict. The IJN never recovered.
Back to your original point, MacArthur was a truly unique character who comes along once in a generation. Larger than life (while adequate to describe some of his peers, e.g. Patton, Nimitz, even King and Halsey) seems to understate the reality of MacArthur.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 3:41 pm to RollTide1987
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Yep. And then five minutes at Midway changed everything.
Imagine how differently the Pacific campaign would have turned out if the Japs had made another bombing run on Pearl and knocked out the huge fuel tanks and dry docks.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 3:44 pm to Ace Midnight
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In hindsight, their recklessness borders on the insane. The USN could afford to lose 3 or 4 fleet carriers in an engagement - probably could have twice over the course of the Pacific conflict.
Japan knew they never could win a war outright. The goal was to conquer Southeast Asia, destroy the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and bring the United States to the negotiating table to end the oil embargo so they could continue their war in China unabated.
It was a terrible plan and, in hindsight, they never needed to attack the U.S. to get to the Dutch East Indies. However, they were concerned that the U.S. would hit them in the flank from our bases in the Philippines.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 3:50 pm to sledgehammer
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Imagine how differently the Pacific campaign would have turned out if the Japs had made another bombing run on Pearl and knocked out the huge fuel tanks and dry docks.
Well, the Japs only did what FDR agreed to.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 3:52 pm to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
Sorry to derail this thread but I wanted to ask some of you that are knowledgeable about WWII about a helmet.
I found this and thought it was a motorcycle helmet from the 60’s or 70’s. Someone today said it is a Nazi helmet from WWII.
I looked up Nazi military helmets and they seem to be the same minus decals.
Anyone know how to find out if it’s authentic? I can’t find any markings or serial numbers.
I apologize for getting off topic because I love these threads of yours.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:40 pm to Soup Sammich
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Sorry to derail this thread but I wanted to ask some of you that are knowledgeable about WWII about a helmet.
I found this and thought it was a motorcycle helmet from the 60’s or 70’s. Someone today said it is a Nazi helmet from WWII.
I looked up Nazi military helmets and they seem to be the same minus decals.
Anyone know how to find out if it’s authentic? I can’t find any markings or serial numbers.
It's a Spanish M42 "Modelo Z" Helmet.. Used by the Spanish Military from 1942 until 1980. It is styled after the German WWII Helmet, but yet it is quite different.
Spain was Neutral in WWII, But there were a few volunteers since Franco was assisted by Hitler in the Spanish Civil War..
https://www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/helmets/spanish.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1942_Modelo_Z
The Helmet is worth anywhere from about $50 to $100 depending.
BUT- Don;t confuse it with the German M42 which had the unrolled Rim.
This post was edited on 3/13/21 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 3/13/21 at 10:08 pm to WWII Collector
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It's a Spanish M42 "Modelo Z" Helmet.. Used by the Spanish Military from 1942 until 1980. It is styled after the German WWII Helmet, but yet it is quite different. Spain was Neutral in WWII, But there were a few volunteers since Franco was assisted by Hitler in the Spanish Civil War..
I really appreciate the info. I love learning about this stuff. Learn something new everyday. I really do appreciate you taking time to let me know.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 10:32 pm to tigersownall
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MacArthur would be cancelled if he was in charge today. fricking commie scum
MaxArthur was a disaster in WWII. He was totally unprepared in the Philippines.
he insisted the he be allowed to command the US Army in the Pacific. He got command of the southern area of the Pacific theater. Historians today agree that the war would have ended sooner had Navy and Marines.
Posted on 3/14/21 at 12:04 am to RollTide1987
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Japan knew they never could win a war outright. The goal was to conquer Southeast Asia, destroy the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and bring the United States to the negotiating table to end the oil embargo so they could continue their war in China unabated.
Patton thought we were on the wrong side in Europe. I wonder if the future will prove we were on the wrong side in Asia.
Posted on 3/14/21 at 4:33 am to sledgehammer
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Imagine how differently the Pacific campaign would have turned out if the Japs had made another bombing run on Pearl and knocked out the huge fuel tanks and dry docks.
years ago I read a neat article about "what if japan stayed on the offensive?"
basically saying your point. the author argued the Japanese should have made another bomb raid the next day, followed by an invasion of the islands. that would have changed history.
Posted on 3/14/21 at 4:47 am to ksayetiger
Ironically neither side realized until later the strategic importance of the fuel and repair facilities. The Americans neglected to install any defenses around them and the Japanese neglected to hit them. It was only afterward that the former recognized the close call and the latter recognized the missed opportunity.
Fuchida, the leader of the Japanese strike, claimed after the war that he had pressed for a third wave, but there's no documentation to corroborate him and he may have been saying so to embellish his reputation.
At any rate, the Japanese were low on fuel and munitions and knew by then that the American carriers were at sea looking for them. They had to figure hanging around any longer was a big roll of the dice.
Fuchida, the leader of the Japanese strike, claimed after the war that he had pressed for a third wave, but there's no documentation to corroborate him and he may have been saying so to embellish his reputation.
At any rate, the Japanese were low on fuel and munitions and knew by then that the American carriers were at sea looking for them. They had to figure hanging around any longer was a big roll of the dice.
Posted on 3/14/21 at 6:16 am to Jim Rockford
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I wonder if the future will prove we were on the wrong side in Asia.
China was a little different as they were fighting a civil war while also fighting the Imperial Japanese Army. We were supporting the Chinese Nationalists under Chiang Kai-Shek and didn't particularly care for Mao Zedong and his Communist forces. However, as the saying goes, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Posted on 3/14/21 at 6:52 am to Jim Rockford
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Patton thought we were on the wrong side in Europe.
Nah, he just thought we should have turned on the Russians once Germany was done.
Posted on 3/14/21 at 7:34 am to Indefatigable
I don't see how anyone could have sided with the Nazi Government after seeing the things they did. But, after defeating them, Patton was probably right. We probably should have rearmed the Wehrmacht and driven the Red Army the hell out of Europe.
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