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re: LSU Law Professor writes article for NYT
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:39 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:39 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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EKL was not private. We are not talking Menninger Clinic Hospital here.
Well luckily President Obama fixed the health care problem in the country so people in NBR can drive 5 miles to get free health care at a state of the art hospital. Sounds like a win.
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:39 pm to Mulat
I don't follow your logic.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:42 pm to John McClane
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Despite our many virtues, we are a community with a long, troubled racial past.
Undeniable.
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the nation’s longest-running school desegregation case. The latter distinction continues to shape our city in profound ways.
Again, undeniable. Forced busing led to white flight. I'm not saying the whites who "flew" were necessarily racist. I'm saying it clearly shaped present-day Baton Rouge.
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Present-day Baton Rouge is essentially two cities.
I think this is clearly true.
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Many residents spend their entire lives in south Baton Rouge without ever venturing into our city’s northern neighborhoods.
Except for Tony's, this is true.
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According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013 Baton Rouge ranked first in the nation for estimated H.I.V. and AIDS case rates per 100,000 people.
Those cases are not centered in St. George.
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Too many view the lives of people in north Baton Rouge as the cumulative result of poor choices, weak values and dependency.
That pretty much nails your point of view.
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A lack of access to reliable public transportation, quality health care, youth mentors and nutritious food are among the many crises that define day-to-day life in this half of this city.
I've never seen anybody selling fruit in a street corner in Bocage. I have seen it in NBR. I'd say these are real problems in NBR.
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It’s a line deliberately drawn and one about which too many are indifferent.
Here he goes off the tracks a little. I'm not sure the "line," which is real, was the direct result of racist choices. I do think it results from indifference. Evil is banal.
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I don’t expect that work to end anytime soon.
Me either.
By the way, the line about the shooting, which stirred up a lot of heat here, is taken a little out of context.
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From now on, however, the image of my city includes that of a visibly restrained man being shot at point blank range, then left to bleed to death while members of our police force picked his pockets for a gun.
If you don't think that is how a lot of America is looking at BR right now, then I'd say you are not really looking.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:42 pm to Jim Smith
I'm surprised Prof. Carter hasn't spouted her mouth off about this yet.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:48 pm to Boagni Swamp
Do you agree with Tyson's immediate dismissal of personal responsibility as a root cause?
You weren't clear at all.
You weren't clear at all.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:52 pm to John McClane
According to NOLA's database, this gentleman makes $119,000 of our taxpayer dollars teaching law, other professorial duties, and maybe writing this.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:54 pm to John McClane
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Do you agree with Tyson's immediate dismissal of personal responsibility as a root cause?
If by that you mean this:
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Too many view the lives of people in north Baton Rouge as the cumulative result of poor choices, weak values and dependency. This is more than just lazy thinking. It’s an intolerable lie predicated on the erasure of all of our city’s and nation’s history.
then I'd say he is overstating. But I do NOT think you can blame all the problems in NBR on poor choices, weak values, and dependency. Where you draw the line is a matter of some debate.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:55 pm to Halftrack
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According to NOLA's database, this gentleman makes $119,000 of our taxpayer dollars writing this.
He makes that for teaching law. He makes zero for writing this. Come on.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:56 pm to Boagni Swamp
You are forgetting the part of his article where he expressly dismisses personal responsibility as playing a large role.
Notwithstanding, we agree.
Notwithstanding, we agree.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:57 pm to John McClane
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You are forgetting the part of his article where he expressly dismisses personal responsibility as playing a large role.
Quote?
This?
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No amount of “individual responsibility” or “bootstrapping” will ever change that.
I don't read that as dismissing personal responsibility. I read that as saying that no matter how much NBR tried, some of this shite was going to be there. And I think that is probably right.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:59 pm to Boagni Swamp
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Too many view the lives of people in north Baton Rouge as the cumulative result of poor choices, weak values and dependency. This is more than just lazy thinking. It’s an intolerable lie predicated on the erasure of all of our city’s and nation’s history. Like many urban communities, north Baton Rouge is the result of specific policy choices, social patterns and the toll that all of it eventually takes on neighborhoods, families and individuals. It’s a very American story of how black people have systematically been denied the opportunity to live in safe and stable neighborhoods. No amount of “individual responsibility” or “bootstrapping” will ever change that.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:02 pm to Boagni Swamp
Can't cherry pick the one sentence. In context, I read it differently. He basically says the problems are inevitable despite personal responsibility. This leaves racism as the culprit. From my first post, that's bullshite.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:04 pm to bwm14
There is a lot of truth in the article but yea it's a political step. I like the guy though.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:08 pm to Jim Smith
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NBR is practically all blacks. You didn't have to say "blacks" for everyone to know what you meant.
Actually I meant poor. Poverty ridden areas, although bearing some degree of self responsibility, are also historically and currently neglected more by government, policies, and the powers that be.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:10 pm to Boagni Swamp
Some of the blame lies (and that goes for all poor areas, white or black) with the ever increasing welfare state and decline of the two parent family. Most of these problems would not exist if there were greater restrictions on government assistance.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:10 pm to dagrippa
A + B = C
A= Lack of personal responsibility
B= Institutional factors
C= Present day problems in NBR
If you accept that equation, then it is false to blame the problem solely on personal responsibility, just as it is false to blame it all on institutional factors. That is what he is saying.
A= Lack of personal responsibility
B= Institutional factors
C= Present day problems in NBR
If you accept that equation, then it is false to blame the problem solely on personal responsibility, just as it is false to blame it all on institutional factors. That is what he is saying.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:11 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Prof. Tyson is only talking about black people.
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Too many view the lives of people in north Baton Rouge as the cumulative result of poor choices, weak values and dependency. This is more than just lazy thinking. It’s an intolerable lie predicated on the erasure of all of our city’s and nation’s history. Like many urban communities, north Baton Rouge is the result of specific policy choices, social patterns and the toll that all of it eventually takes on neighborhoods, families and individuals. It’s a very American story of how black people have systematically been denied the opportunity to live in safe and stable neighborhoods. No amount of “individual responsibility” or “bootstrapping” will ever change that.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:14 pm to Jim Smith
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resident Obama fixed the health care problem in the country so people in NBR can drive 5 miles to get free health care at a state of the art hospital. Sounds like a win.
Do you know how many of those people lack reliable or even any transportation and rely on friends, neighbors, and whoever to hitch a ride? I see it frequently and it's a lot.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:17 pm to Boagni Swamp
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A + B = C
A= Lack of personal responsibility
B= Institutional factors
C= Present day problems in NBR
If you accept that equation, then it is false to blame the problem solely on personal responsibility, just as it is false to blame it all on institutional factors.
/thread
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:19 pm to Boagni Swamp
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Not my question, Cochise. He's made clear what he thinks the problem is. Exactly what do you think it is?
These poor assholes aren't stealing milk and bread to feed their family. They aren't shooting each other over the last bottle of medicine to save their child's life. Being poor doesn't make you become a violent criminal, disrespectful of everyone around you, not care about an education or have 4 damn kids when you couldn't afford the first one.
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