re: Louisiana fatal casualties of the Vietnam War

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That's a touch and go - we have USAF and USMC lunatic pilots who volunteer to train for and do this mission.

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Crazy shite. I've actually seen a C-130(I assume) doing this outside of Abilene, TX. That somebitch came in low and didn't touch the ground but dropped a big arse container out the back and then pulled up and turned hard. I swear I thought it was crashing for about 10 seconds before my brain realized it was on purpose to simulate dropping shite off in a combat zone.

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Thanks for the book suggestions. I recall the book "If I Die in a Combat Zone" as a kid but I didn't read it. I'm going by library on way home today and start it.

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Another great read on the Vietnam War is a book I cited earlier titled Unheralded Victory by Mark W. Woodruff. It does a great job of breaking through many of the common lies and myths of the war. I recommend it to anyone wanting a better understanding of the truth of that very misunderstood war.



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What's going on Darth 19K

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Just and old tanker living the dream.

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That buildup went on for like seven months prior to Tet. Amazing the logistics involved in the moving of equipment and personnel in preparation for the offensive.

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The Tet offensive is one of the big subjects the book I just mentioned talks about. It was portrayed to the American public by the media as this big victory for the communists and a "turning point" that meant we could never win the war. The truth of the matter though was the exact opposite. Tet was nothing short of an unmitigated disaster for the communists and totally destroyed the Viet Cong as an effective fighting force. The NVA units engaged in the offensive were bled white and not a single communist objective was met other than to have the US media give them a "propaganda" victory... buy outright lying to the American public.

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To reinforce this - I think they cobbled together 1 battalion sized VC unit for operations after Tet - if that - while VC battalions were relatively common before and leading up to Tet. They were never more than scouts and platoon sized raiders after that.

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Bingo. The Communists actually started taking NVA troops and putting them into Viet Cong units in order to try and hide the fact that the Viet Cong had for all intents and purposes ceased to exist after Tet.

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And another tough truth for the nation that was weaned on a very, very liberal media establishment - the U.S. actually won the war - Paris was a conditional surrender by the North - and the shameful U.S. Congress REFUSED to allow President Ford to enforce it in 1974 and 1975.

The victory purchased by our blood was casually discarded by our spineless national legislature.

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MOTHERfrickING THIS! It can't be stressed enough that the US WON THE VIETNAM WAR!!! It drives me crazy when I hear about how we "lost" the war. That's an outright lie sold to the American public by freaking "new left" progressives.... The same progressives who controlled congress in 74 & 75 that abandoned our ally in South Vietnam and allowed them to be conquered when the North Vietnamese (who the Soviets had totally resupplied and rebuilt their shattered army) invaded AFTER the end of the Vietnam war.

yeah, we won in Iraq and Afghanistan too. How much more blood and treasure must we spend to preserve the victory? $2 trillion not enough?

The Vietnam war ended in what, 1973? And you're still arguing over it 40+ years later. Next stop, Iran and Syria.

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It's obvious that in purely military, on-the-ground terms, the US military devastated the other side. I mean, the kill ratios are truly staggering...BUT, that does not mean "the war was won".

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The Treaty of Paris signed in 1973 meant we won the war. We forced the North to stop trying to overrun the South. Where things went wrong was after the fighting had stopped the US Congress (controlled by progressives) cut off all support from the US to South Vietnam. And while the Democrats in Congress stabbed our ally in the back, the Soviets went and totally rebuilt and resupplied the North Vietnamese Army and by early 1975 the North was ready to launch a new war that ended with the fall of Saigon.

Saying that the US lost the Vietnam War is like saying the French lost World War I which ended in 1919 because they surrendered to Germany in 1940.

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You and Ace are shining examples of guys who I enjoy carrying on intelligent historic conversations.

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Thanks! Don't find all that much in the way of history talk...for some reason, they won't approve of a History board, but dang sure will have a soccer, food, or whatever...

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Darth_Vader

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My favorite subject is history, and I've always enjoyed threads you've posted in (As well as Ace).

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Thanks! Don't find all that much in the way of history talk...for some reason, they won't approve of a History board, but dang sure will have a soccer, food, or whatever...

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Why can't we be friends?