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Posted on 2/3/15 at 2:22 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Excellent post, sir. Not many people want to believe this.
OT, have you watched that video on Chosin that I told you about last week? It is a definite must watch.
Thanks. No, I've hardly got to sit down and watch any TV over the last several days. Still trying to get around to it.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 2:26 pm to Darth_Vader
I know the feeling. It is a great video.
BTW, I am reading "Fire in the Streets: The Battle for Hue." Man that was some tough fighting. Good book!
BTW, I am reading "Fire in the Streets: The Battle for Hue." Man that was some tough fighting. Good book!
Posted on 2/3/15 at 2:29 pm to Spaceman Spiff
I'll have to check that one out.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 2:31 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Thank you, sir. Two more years and retirement from the Navy.
Any time I see sailors a joint bases or out and about in uniform, y'all always seem to be in groups - so I always greet the same way, "How is the Navy doing today?" I think the younger ones don't know how to react to this grizzled old Army officer. The mid-career NCOs and such just laugh.
Is that still traditional for other services to greet y'all that way?
Posted on 2/3/15 at 2:49 pm to Ace Midnight
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Thank G-d the US Army was able to rescue the Marines...again
Lol no
Posted on 2/3/15 at 2:57 pm to BoominHogtown
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Lol no
LOL Yes. Air Cav....
Posted on 2/3/15 at 3:03 pm to BoominHogtown
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Lol no
Lol, yes.
1 Marine battalion and 1 Army division lifted the siege. The fact the garrison was able to quickly get back into the offensive fight shows they weren't beaten as badly as "about to be overrun" implies, but rescuing they needed and rescuing they got - by the First Cavalry Division (Airmobile), United States Army.
You're welcome.
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Posted on 2/3/15 at 3:07 pm to Ace Midnight
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1 Marine battalion and 1 Army division lifted the siege. The fact the garrison was able to quickly get back into the offensive fight shows they weren't beaten as badly as "about to be overrun" implies, but rescuing they needed and rescuing they got - by the First Cavalry Division (Airmobile), United States Army.
I know jack shite about real history and war and such but the Netflix documentary supports this theory. I assume they did their homework and had lots of real footage.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 3:16 pm to Ace Midnight
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but rescuing they needed and rescuing they got - by the First Cavalry Division (Airmobile), United States Army.
This was actually one of the few times in the war where any one division worked as a whole unit one one mission. Usually you had brigades or battalions working virtually independently of each other.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 3:20 pm to Darth_Vader
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LOL Yes. Air Cav....
Tell that to Dakota Meyer.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 3:27 pm to BoominHogtown
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Tell that to Dakota Meyer.
Who? And why? He wasn't even born until 20 years after the battle of Khe Sanh. The fact remains that the relief of the Marine outpost there was spearheaded by 3 brigades of the US Army's 1st Cavalry (Air Mobile) Division. What does Dakota Meyer have to do with the relief of Khe Shan?
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:23 pm to ctiger69
So young and so many Jr's, RIP.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 4:40 pm to QuietTiger
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So young and so many Jr's, RIP.
Amen - and the cream of the manhood of that generation, too. The dodgers and hippies stayed alive, became permanent students, did drugs, what have you. Many of the best, following the examples of their fathers, signed up and never came home. Of those who did come back, many did great things and participated in the burgeoning new economy of the 80s and 90s. The youngest of the Vietnam era vets are all turning 60 soon and move into their golden years with the rest of the boomers.
But, the 60k plus - I've seen the moving wall a few times over the years, but finally saw the real one in September 2013. I was a little overwhelmed.
All of that loss, reduced to a list of names. Makes me want to echo Big Scrub's point in this thread - "For what?"
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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these are my favorite threads as well.
Great thread about an important subject.
I joined the 82nd ABD in the 80s and just about all senior leaders had two tours and some had three. What a privilege to be trained by people like that, and also how humbling the first time we turned out in dress uniforms, holy shite.
Some of my favorite books on the subject are:
A Life in a Year
Battle for Hue: Tet 1968
Hamburger Hill: Battle for Dong Ap Bia
Really enjoyed Matterhorn and a companion book by the same author The Things They Carried.
I enjoyed Vietnam HD but the gold standard for me was Letters Home From Vietnam, HBO 1988 I think. Have Kleenex on standby.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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The dodgers and hippies stayed alive, became permanent students, did drugs, what have you.
...ran the country from 2001-2008
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:41 pm to Mung
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ran the country from 1993-2009
FTFY
(ETA: And at least W served. Your last Dem president who spent a minute in uniform was James Earl Carter. Y'all don't even run people with military service anymore, much less nominate one.)
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:48 pm to Ace Midnight
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And at least W served
Technically correct, but the same effect as a deferment, not going to Vietnam.
Dick had other things to do, he said so.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:14 pm to Rickety Cricket
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Was what he said untrue? The Vietnam War was a quagmire with no logical end that the government ultimately just washed its hands of. I'm sure the majority of men you'd talk to would say they were fighting for the man next to them, not for some more lofty, idealistic
Yeah that's all good and well. But I'll go ahead and tell you that 95% of men that have fought pretty much any American war will tell you that they were fighting for the men to their left and right. Not just Vietnam.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:15 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Yep
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